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09-21-2011, 04:56 PM
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Yea they would still have under contract.. it just slides and he doesnt lose a year in juniors. the contract will only kick in if he plays beyond the 9 game mark. its surprising that soe of the people who write for the flyers or consider themselves beat writters or bloggers dont no simple rules of the CBA?

Edit: dont mean to sound smug but i just feel these guys should know the rules
The IQ level of our Philly writers and bloggers dropped about 100 points when Gormley left for Washington. That guy probably knows more about the Caps already than "the panotch" knows about the Flyers.

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Thats false. He cannot play in the AHL, so if they flyers don't want him on the active roster anymore he goes straight to juniors.
Does anyone know the rule? I know he can't go to the AHL regardless but if he plays 10 games or whatever the number is, does he have to stay up? I'm just not sure if he's allowed to go back to Juniors after a certain point.

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Does anyone know the rule? I know he can't go to the AHL regardless but if he plays 10 games or whatever the number is, does he have to stay up? I'm just not sure if he's allowed to go back to Juniors after a certain point.
I think he gets up to 41 games

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Does anyone know the rule? I know he can't go to the AHL regardless but if he plays 10 games or whatever the number is, does he have to stay up? I'm just not sure if he's allowed to go back to Juniors after a certain point.
The Flyers went through this with Luca Sbisa. He played 39 games then the Flyers sent him back to the WHL. Then I think once their season was over he went to the AHL.

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Solid cap hit.

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The Flyers went through this with Luca Sbisa. He played 39 games then the Flyers sent him back to the WHL. Then I think once their season was over he went to the AHL.
I must have been in a coma or something (or in WV, same thing), because I don't ever remember him playing 39 games for us. But sure enough you're correct. Thanks for answering that for us

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Does anyone know the rule? I know he can't go to the AHL regardless but if he plays 10 games or whatever the number is, does he have to stay up? I'm just not sure if he's allowed to go back to Juniors after a certain point.
He can be sent back to Juniors at any point in the Season. If he plays 10 games or more, it counts as a year on his Entry level contract. If he is on the team's roster for 40 games or more (that's on the roster, not games actually played) then it counts as a Accrued Season towards his reaching UFA status, which is 7 Accrued Seasons, or 27 years of age.

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Love it Homer. This is what we all wanted. I do hope he can make the team.

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09-22-2011, 01:41 AM
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That's not true. It's the opposite.
Wrong. Read on the first page what RD and MSE posted regarding this. It does NOT affect his RFA status at all. From what I understand the ONLY thing that it affects is when he is no longer waiver exempt (ie - when he can be sent back down to the minors without having to pass through waivers).

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Contract details from Panaccio:
1.375 fits in nicely (barely) if you move Rinaldo to 13th forward:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
/ Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,402,500

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,902,539; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,397,461

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09-22-2011, 02:49 AM
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1.375 fits in nicely (barely) if you move Rinaldo to 13th forward:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
/ Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,402,500

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,902,539; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,397,461
How about this to counter that?

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,402,500

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,077,539; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $222,461

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09-22-2011, 08:09 AM
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Wrong. Read on the first page what RD and MSE posted regarding this. It does NOT affect his RFA status at all. From what I understand the ONLY thing that it affects is when he is no longer waiver exempt (ie - when he can be sent back down to the minors without having to pass through waivers).
Obviously, you have no idea how it works. Regardless, unless something off the wall happens, such as a Q offer mistake , you get a player for 7 years as an RFA. What does happen when you sign a player early, is that he can reach UFA status early. If he makes the team now, and stays on the roster for 40 games, he will reach UFA status at 26, instead of 27.

Waivers is based on games played, and signing him now or later,has no effect there.

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09-22-2011, 08:11 AM
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1.375 fits in nicely (barely) if you move Rinaldo to 13th forward:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
/ Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,402,500

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,902,539; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,397,461
You don't have Couturier in your totals.

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How about this to counter that?

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,402,500

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,077,539; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $222,461
You can't go into a Season with only 222K in Cap space. Leaves no room for call ups.

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Obviously, you have no idea how it works. Regardless, unless something off the wall happens, such as a Q offer mistake , you get a player for 7 years as an RFA. What does happen when you sign a player early, is that he can reach UFA status early. If he makes the team now, and stays on the roster for 40 games, he will reach UFA status at 26, instead of 27.

Waivers is based on games played, and signing him now or later,has no effect there.
If he makes the team then he deserves to make it and there was no way around signing him anyhow.

But what he said is correct. It will have no bearing on the player should he not play a season this year. What difference does it make

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If he makes the team then he deserves to make it and there was no way around signing him anyhow.

But what he said is correct. It will have no bearing on the player should he not play a season this year. What difference does it make
Yes, there was a way around not signing him now. If he was going back to Juniors, the Flyers didn't have to sign him now.

And it does make a difference if he doesn't play for the Flyers this year. For one, his ELC will slide, delaying him reaching RFA status, and will also delay his reaching UFA status.

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Obviously, you have no idea how it works. Regardless, unless something off the wall happens, such as a Q offer mistake , you get a player for 7 years as an RFA. What does happen when you sign a player early, is that he can reach UFA status early. If he makes the team now, and stays on the roster for 40 games, he will reach UFA status at 26, instead of 27.

Waivers is based on games played, and signing him now or later,has no effect there.
I do know how it works and what you quoted initially, claiming it was wrong, it very much incorrect. Let me explain. SIGNING him NOW, what was in question, has absolutely no bearing on his entry level contract length nor when he reaches UFA status. Signing him now, sending him back to juniors for the year, and then having him on the team NEXT year counts EXACTLY the same as just signing him NEXT year and having him on the team next year. His entry level contract is still in effect until after the 2014/15 season and he's STILL an RGA until age 26. Thus, signing him now has absolutely no effect on when his entry level contract expires nor when he can become an UFA. The same holds true for if he is sent back to juniors for 2 more years and doesn't join the team until he's 20 compared to just signing him when he's 20.

The ONLY thing in the CBA that is tied to WHEN you sign your entry level contract is the amount of time you are waiver exempt (IIRC). EVERYTHING else is dependant upon how many games you play.

Now, if the Flyers keep him on the team THEN it can affect when his entry level contract expires and when he is UFA eligable but that is not what the original poster was saying, he was saying that SIGNING HIM, not signing him and KEEPING him on the team, has no effect upon his entry level contract and RFA years.

While Chris was not correct in saying that siging him now enables the Flyers to get the most years out of his RFA time, you saying that it's the opposite is wrong too. SIGNING him has absolutely no bearing upon what year he becomes an UFA.


The benefit of signing him now is that we probably get him cheaper than if he went back to juniors, played well and then we tried to sign him after dominating juniors for another year or 2 (compare Jeff Skinners contract to that of B Schenns for an example of this).

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If they send him back after the ninth game it changes nothing.

- the contract slides, still three years on ELC
- UFA status stands, an accrued season is 40 games on active roster
- waiver eligibility stands, he signed as an 18 years old, its 5 years or 80 NHL games
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You get seven years of "guaranteed" service. From 18 to 25, from 19 to 26 or from 20 to 27. Nothing complicated.

The 20 to 27 may be a bit better as the player is more mature, closer to his peak.

Signing him now changed nothing, it changes once he accrues the season (40 games on the roster)
This is all you need to know on the subject. As RD said, "Siging him now changes nothing, it only changes once he accrues the season."

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Obviously, you have no idea how it works. Regardless, unless something off the wall happens, such as a Q offer mistake , you get a player for 7 years as an RFA. What does happen when you sign a player early, is that he can reach UFA status early. If he makes the team now, and stays on the roster for 40 games, he will reach UFA status at 26, instead of 27.

Waivers is based on games played, and signing him now or later,has no effect there.
He signed as an 18-year old and that DOES matter for waiver exempt status. His age at the time he signs his first SPC determines the number of games he has to play before he is no longer waiver exempt.

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