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09-25-2011, 05:59 PM
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I had the same issue reading it on my iPad (article didn't auto-size to the page size, forcing me to scroll left-to-right and right-to-left repeatedly.

Great quotes, though. I think it'll be interesting to see how things shake out with Lewis and Loktionov.
Thanks for letting me know. Gotta get Wordpress to fix that...

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09-25-2011, 06:16 PM
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I could believe this:

Clifford - Loktionov - Stoll

and no Parse

or move Lewis to the RW

Clifford - Stoll - Lewis

Richardson - Loktionov - Westgarth

and no Parse

I think for Lokitionov to make the team, he has to be head and shoulders above Parse.

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09-25-2011, 06:57 PM
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I could believe this:

Clifford - Loktionov - Stoll

and no Parse

or move Lewis to the RW

Clifford - Stoll - Lewis

Richardson - Loktionov - Westgarth

and no Parse

I think for Lokitionov to make the team, he has to be head and shoulders above Parse.
I too would like to see Parse on his way to somewhere else and Lokti begin his regular job as a King. From the tone of this article TT seems to also be making a good case for himself. So I would think that this would make him the first forward call-up from Manchester?

Its very good to hear that Hickey is making strides and with VV also looking NHL ready it now looks like we have a real dilemma and when Drew returns it really is going to put a guy back to Manchester who arguably should be in LA?

Its really a very good feeling as a Kings fan to see all this talent being primed for the Kings, we have had so much failure to bring up our own for so long.

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09-25-2011, 07:04 PM
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I too would like to see Parse on his way to somewhere else and Lokti begin his regular job as a King. From the tone of this article TT seems to also be making a good case for himself. So I would think that this would make him the first forward call-up from Manchester?

Its very good to hear that Hickey is making strides and with VV also looking NHL ready it now looks like we have a real dilemma and when Drew returns it really is going to put a guy back to Manchester who arguably should be in LA?

Its really a very good feeling as a Kings fan to see all this talent being primed for the Kings, we have had so much failure to bring up our own for so long.
Toffoli has to go back to juniors.

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09-25-2011, 07:15 PM
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Toffoli has to go back to juniors.
Yeah, forgot he's still only 19?

Back to the OHL...maybe he can make the Team Canada WJC Club and get some good experience there.

He seems to be doing pretty well at this point of his young career.

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Why in the world would anyone have turned on Loktionov, that is just pathetic. He is a young man trying to make an NHL squad who is dedicating everything to doing so. No mater what anyone says it will always make me happy to see a kid being determined to make a team and frustrated at the idea that he won't.

Meh, bunch of nonsense really to even talk about it.

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Thanks for letting me know. Gotta get Wordpress to fix that...
Let me know if you need assistance with that. Building WP sites is what I do.

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I think for Lokitionov to make the team, he has to be head and shoulders above Parse.
He already is...

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09-25-2011, 11:54 PM
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He already is...
Let me re-phrase in TM's eyes Loktionov has to be head and shoulders above Parse.

I wonder if TM has thought outside the box and figured out a way to have Loktionov play center on the 3rd or 4th line.

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I could believe this:

Clifford - Loktionov - Stoll

and no Parse

or move Lewis to the RW

Clifford - Stoll - Lewis

Richardson - Loktionov - Westgarth

and no Parse

I think for Lokitionov to make the team, he has to be head and shoulders above Parse.
Having WESTGARTH play on LOKI's wing all season long will make me lose my mind.

Having said that, LOKI is certainly making a strong case here. The kid has been the best player on the ice at Phoenix game and here tonight.

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09-26-2011, 12:10 AM
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Now im just thinking out loud here Any chance Andrei Loktionov takes the third line center letting us trade Stoll for a 3rd line rw ? thinking baily and a 2nd maybe to much to little ?

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Now im just thinking out loud here Any chance Andrei Loktionov takes the third line center letting us trade Stoll for a 3rd line rw ? thinking baily and a 2nd maybe to much to little ?
That's already been mentioned on several occasions. I'm on board.

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Im thinking more of the tradeing of Stoll to get a rw to play on that line. Also get a 2nd round pick next year since we draft so well in that round. It would make the line cheaper and more skilled offensively. Worse comes to worse move lewis up and let loki play 4th till he matures into the 3rd line role or we can get someone at the trade deadline cheap. I don't see stoll as a winger.

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At this point, Stoll's pretty much our faceoff and shootout specialist. And until one of our centers can stepup and dominate faceoffs much like Stoll can, I'm thinking, he stays.

I'm pretty sure Stoll can play and score from RW.

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Now im just thinking out loud here Any chance Andrei Loktionov takes the third line center letting us trade Stoll for a 3rd line rw ? thinking baily and a 2nd maybe to much to little ?
Stoll is still needed this year. He's our best face off guy, can play defense in critical times, is an excellent penalty killer, and is good for 40+ points. He can play the point on the powerplay, he's not a wizard back there but he's solid. He's money in the shootouts.

Loktionov has been great. His face offs are improving, but he's not at the level he needs to be. His defense has been really good, though. I think a much better solution like some have mentioned is move Stoll to the wing and let him take the faceoffs. Jarret is very versatile and could adjust without much problem, I think.

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Im thinking more of the tradeing of Stoll to get a rw to play on that line. Also get a 2nd round pick next year since we draft so well in that round. It would make the line cheaper and more skilled offensively. Worse comes to worse move lewis up and let loki play 4th till he matures into the 3rd line role or we can get someone at the trade deadline cheap. I don't see stoll as a winger.

Someone like Bailey is not as good offensively as Stoll. It may make the line cheaper, but sure not more skilled. Stoll can pretty much play anywhere on the ice.

Loktionov shouldn't be played on the 4th line, really. Lewis and Richardson will be there with Moreau to bring energy and some offense, IMO.

If I'm coaching right now, I try:

Penner-Kopitar-Williams
Gagne-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Loktionov-Stoll
Richardson-Lewis-Moreau

Each one of those lines can generate scoring chances. Moreau and Clifford could interchange if needed.


Plug Westy in when needed.

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Fair enuff I was only thinking we need a winger that can move up if/when injurys happen. Which with Williams and Gagne its highly possible.

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Gagne-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Loktionov-Stoll
Richardson-Lewis-Moreau
Been championing that 3rd line for months, happy to see others are starting to see how much sense it makes.

As for the 4th line, would rather have Westgarth in there. At least he provides something, and quite honestly he was a better hockey player than Moreau last season.

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09-26-2011, 10:47 AM
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This is probably going to be a completely stupid idea, but is there any way to have Loktionov and Stoll play on the same line. Yet, they switch off playing wing and center every shift or period? Would that be too confusing for them or ruin their flow? Or would it actually be a positive in that it will throw the other team's defenders off?

I would think that both are very smart hockey players and would be able to pull that off.

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This is probably going to be a completely stupid idea, but is there any way to have Loktionov and Stoll play on the same line. Yet, they switch off playing wing and center every shift or period? Would that be too confusing for them or ruin their flow? Or would it actually be a positive in that it will throw the other team's defenders off?

I would think that both are very smart hockey players and would be able to pull that off.
Sure, Stoll can play RW and take most of the draws. In our own zone is where it gets a bit more confusing. Loktionov may not have the muscle to play down low in our own zone night in and night out, but he might be fine covering one of the points.

The main thing we want to see with Loktionov is him carrying the puck through center ice and attacking the opposition's blueline with speed. I am confident they could figure that out with he and Stoll on the same line.

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Sure, Stoll can play RW and take most of the draws. In our own zone is where it gets a bit more confusing. Loktionov may not have the muscle to play down low in our own zone night in and night out, but he might be fine covering one of the points.
From what little of the game I saw last night, Loktionov looked harder to knock off the puck than last season, at least on a couple of plays.

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Sure, Stoll can play RW and take most of the draws. In our own zone is where it gets a bit more confusing. Loktionov may not have the muscle to play down low in our own zone night in and night out, but he might be fine covering one of the points.

The main thing we want to see with Loktionov is him carrying the puck through center ice and attacking the opposition's blueline with speed. I am confident they could figure that out with he and Stoll on the same line.
Two things either he plays center and if he is not strong enough you send him down to get stronger. Or you play him on the wing and if he can not play wing and you want him on wing you send him down to learn how to play wing. Either way you do not changes things around for a player that is not ready to play in the NHL.

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Stoll is still needed this year. He's our best face off guy, can play defense in critical times, is an excellent penalty killer, and is good for 40+ points. He can play the point on the powerplay, he's not a wizard back there but he's solid. He's money in the shootouts.

Loktionov has been great. His face offs are improving, but he's not at the level he needs to be. His defense has been really good, though. I think a much better solution like some have mentioned is move Stoll to the wing and let him take the faceoffs. Jarret is very versatile and could adjust without much problem, I think.
He has been the best player in both pre-season games he played. What in his game is not the level it needs to be?

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Sure, Stoll can play RW and take most of the draws. In our own zone is where it gets a bit more confusing. Loktionov may not have the muscle to play down low in our own zone night in and night out, but he might be fine covering one of the points.

The main thing we want to see with Loktionov is him carrying the puck through center ice and attacking the opposition's blueline with speed. I am confident they could figure that out with he and Stoll on the same line.
Ok, then to take it a step further. Would it be possible for Lokti to defend as a winger (take the opposing team's point), yet offensively be a center? I personally haven't seen it done, but I've also never really watched for it. I know it's easier said than done because opposing teams will rush differently everytime and this "switch" could actually hurt us.

Just trying to figure out some way to keep both Lokti and Stoll - and utilize both in the best way possible. Both are good at what they do and I think we need both. To be honest, I think they can do some damage being on the same line if they can work around this center/winger thing.

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He has been the best player in both pre-season games he played. What in his game is not the level it needs to be?
Agreed. He was a little lost in the first period last night, but the whole team played like crap. Loktionov turned it up a notch and was easily the best skater on either team in the second and third periods. I love his game and, after seeing him this preseason, I don't think he should be in Manchester. He can help this team win right now, period. He needs to be with the Kings.

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