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09-26-2011, 12:00 AM
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Well that's where I disagree because I think Rinaldo has nothing to offer.

I'm not a Betts fan or anything, but I have him in the lineup because he is cheaper than Read and because I'd rather keep him for an insurance policy.
If anything rinaldo has some grit, and speed, betts really seems to have nothing left..

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09-26-2011, 12:18 AM
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First 9 games:

Hartnell-Briere-Voracek
JvR-Giroux-Jagr
Couturier-Schenn-Simmonds
Read-Talbot-Nodl
Betts

Timonen-Coburn
Pronger-Carle
Meszaros-Gustafsson
Lilja

Rest of the season (assuming they decided Couturier isn't quite ready yet):

(top 2 remain the same)
Read-Schenn-Simmonds
Talbot-Betts-Nodl
Sestito

(defense remains the same)
Well my lines are too expensive

I'm not sure what's going to happen then.

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Well my lines are too expensive

I'm not sure what's going to happen then.
what if betts is taken out and sestito is placed as the 13th forward?

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09-26-2011, 06:37 AM
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If anything rinaldo has some grit, and speed, betts really seems to have nothing left..
When our PK was good, Betts was a big part of that and I doubt he's forgotten how to do it. He is a good player, particularly at 600k. What he does is easy to miss if you're not looking, but he was still doing it last year and doing it well. The one thing he's lost a step at is face offs. Other than that he'll be fine.

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09-26-2011, 07:04 AM
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Yep.

Lilja is going to be on this team, as at least the 7th D-man.
With the outside chance that he is waived and picked up by another team. Not 100% impossible. If we clears waivers, we wouldn't send him down (since he counts against the cap anyway). But, if you waive him and Winnipeg or someone picks him up, then problem solved.

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09-26-2011, 07:22 AM
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You put someone in the lineup just because their cheaper?

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09-26-2011, 07:26 AM
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You put someone in the lineup just because their cheaper?
Welcome to the cap era!

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09-26-2011, 11:35 AM
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You put someone in the lineup just because their cheaper?
Need cap space for call ups. Plus its helps with depth. If Betts sucks you can always waive him and recall someone. If you get rid of Betts first and his replacement sucks then you've lost Betts and have a crappy replacement.

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09-26-2011, 12:04 PM
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The drop off in Betts production due to the shoulder has been unfortunate, but he remains a plus PK'er (something this team is woefully short of after the moves the last couple of years) and a solid defensive forward. In short, exactly what you want on your third line. If we stop dressing Shelley and put two effective wings out there with him, he can still center a very strong 4th line.

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09-26-2011, 01:01 PM
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FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Tom Sestito ($0.550m)
Sean Couturier ($1.375m)

DEFENSEMEN
Matt Carle ($3.437m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,402,500

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,138,095; BONUSES: $4,265,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $161,905

Nodl is the cap casualty. If you want to call him up, it's either Nodl or Read. Thats works for me.

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09-26-2011, 01:11 PM
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FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Tom Sestito ($0.550m)
Sean Couturier ($1.375m)

DEFENSEMEN
Matt Carle ($3.437m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,402,500

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,138,095; BONUSES: $4,265,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $161,905

Nodl is the cap casualty. If you want to call him up, it's either Nodl or Read. Thats works for me.
I believe both Nodl or Read both have 1-way contacts, which make this seemingly impossible. That being said...Couturier won't be the 13th forward. If he's up with the club, he'll be playing.

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09-26-2011, 01:21 PM
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I just threw him on the roster. He would actually be playing infront of Read. I really don't know what the flyers are going to do this year. They have two players who are playing for one spot and whoever loses pretty much doesn't have a chance for the rest of the year.

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09-26-2011, 01:23 PM
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The other thing I forgot to mention about Betts is I want a 4th line that can play 10 minutes a game. A 4th line with Betts and Nodl can do that. Rinaldo and Sestito cannot.

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09-26-2011, 01:48 PM
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The drop off in Betts production due to the shoulder has been unfortunate, but he remains a plus PK'er (something this team is woefully short of after the moves the last couple of years) and a solid defensive forward. In short, exactly what you want on your third line. If we stop dressing Shelley and put two effective wings out there with him, he can still center a very strong 4th line.
I agree with you about Betts, except about putting him on the third line. I think that is a bit of a reach for him. It would be one thing if the team had one of the best top 6 forward groups in the NHL, and didn't need anything from their bottom 6 other than to PK and keep the net clean till one of the top two lines could get back out there during 5 on 5. The Flyers are probably going to need some production from their third line if they're going to be a legit play-off team. I think he works well as the 4th center though.

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The other thing I forgot to mention about Betts is I want a 4th line that can play 10 minutes a game. A 4th line with Betts and Nodl can do that. Rinaldo and Sestito cannot.
Preach!

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09-26-2011, 02:30 PM
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FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Tom Sestito ($0.550m)
Sean Couturier ($1.375m)

DEFENSEMEN
Matt Carle ($3.437m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,402,500

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,138,095; BONUSES: $4,265,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $161,905

Nodl is the cap casualty. If you want to call him up, it's either Nodl or Read. Thats works for me.
If you waive Nodl, you won't have him to call up. He'll be claimed and the Flyers will lose a solid young player for nothing.

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I believe both Nodl or Read both have 1-way contacts, which make this seemingly impossible. That being said...Couturier won't be the 13th forward. If he's up with the club, he'll be playing.
Read is waiver exempt, Nodl is not. Keep in mind that one way or two way has nothing to do with waivers.

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09-26-2011, 02:42 PM
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I believe both Nodl or Read both have 1-way contacts, which make this seemingly impossible. That being said...Couturier won't be the 13th forward. If he's up with the club, he'll be playing.
1-way (or 2-way) contracts have nothing to do with a players ability to be freely called up or sent down. All it does is define your salary. You either have an NHL and an AHL salary, or a salary that is the same regardless of where you play.

What matters is waiver eligibility. Matt Read is exempt from waivers and can therefore be sent down and recalled freely. Nodl is not exempt (fairly certain), and would therefore need to clear waivers to be sent down.

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09-26-2011, 02:44 PM
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The drop off in Betts production due to the shoulder has been unfortunate, but he remains a plus PK'er (something this team is woefully short of after the moves the last couple of years) and a solid defensive forward. In short, exactly what you want on your third line. If we stop dressing Shelley and put two effective wings out there with him, he can still center a very strong 4th line.
Betts is exactly what you want on your third line?????? A guy who's never once scored double digit goals and never amassed more than 18 points in a season? He's the definition of a 4th line player, a broken down one at that.

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If you waive Nodl, you won't have him to call up. He'll be claimed and the Flyers will lose a solid young player for nothing.



Read is waiver exempt, Nodl is not. Keep in mind that one way or two way has nothing to do with waivers.
Well then I think we can all agree that there are too many damn CBA rules.

Thanks.

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Nodl is likely going nowhere unless it's in a trade.

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The other thing I forgot to mention about Betts is I want a 4th line that can play 10 minutes a game. A 4th line with Betts and Nodl can do that. Rinaldo and Sestito cannot.
If blair betts is getting 10 minutes of ice time a game we are in trouble...I would rather see youth, speed, and grit out there with a chance to score a goal or two, betts has no offensive upside at all.

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09-26-2011, 05:15 PM
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If blair betts is getting 10 minutes of ice time a game we are in trouble...I would rather see youth, speed, and grit out there with a chance to score a goal or two, betts has no offensive upside at all.
And Rinaldo does? 9 points in the AHL doesn't scream offense to me. Heck Jody Shelley had 12 points his first full year in the A. Sestito wasn't even good enough for the Columbus roster. Not sure why people think he is good enough for a team expected to make the playoffs.

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And Rinaldo does? 9 points in the AHL doesn't scream offense to me. Heck Jody Shelley had 12 points his first full year in the A. Sestito wasn't even good enough for the Columbus roster. Not sure why people think he is good enough for a team expected to make the playoffs.
He hasnt been given a chance, and he can only be an improvement on betts

I think a nodl-talbot-rinaldo line would be a great 4th line, if anything rinaldo gives us some physicality, grit and speed. Betts has nothing to offer, his penalty killing is terrible, he is too slow now, and he cannot win puck battles due to his shoulder.

Read, schenn, giroux, nodl before betts on the pk.

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If blair betts is getting 10 minutes of ice time a game we are in trouble...I would rather see youth, speed, and grit out there with a chance to score a goal or two, betts has no offensive upside at all.
Depends how you mean it. Using the 4th line for ten minutes might not be the best, but if you include the pk as well, then ten minutes for Betts isn't that bad of an idea. In fact, he played 10.27 per game last season. 3.37 of that was on the pk though.

I hope we won't use two forwards as much on the pk as much as we used Betts and Powe last year though. I thought they tired, especially Betts. This could be done, either by not taking so many stupid penalties (Brière, Hartnell, please stop sending silly notes between yourselves and pay attention now), or by using more players on the pk if we face as many as we've done the past couple of years.

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He hasnt been given a chance, and he can only be an improvement on betts

I think a nodl-talbot-rinaldo line would be a great 4th line, if anything rinaldo gives us some physicality, grit and speed. Betts has nothing to offer, his penalty killing is terrible, he is too slow now, and he cannot win puck battles due to his shoulder.

Read, schenn, giroux, nodl before betts on the pk.
Rinaldo can't carry Bett's jockstrap at this point. Rinaldo is a liability. We don't need another forward that plays 3 minutes a game. Rinaldo need to go back to the AHL for at least another year until he proves he is not a detriment to the team.

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Rinaldo can't carry Bett's jockstrap at this point. Rinaldo is a liability. We don't need another forward that plays 3 minutes a game. Rinaldo need to go back to the AHL for at least another year until he proves he is not a detriment to the team.
I agree, I feel similar to Sestito. I'm fine with them both being call-ups, but I'm not sure they have earned a starting spot yet. There's no problem at all with having a 4th line who can carry big minutes. The Penguins, Red Wings, Bruins, and Canucks all had big minute 4th lines the last few seasons. We did as well in 2010 before our guys started dropping like flies.

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