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Predators looking to add a forward -- Sabres\Flyers?

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09-26-2011, 03:04 PM
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No thanks. We might need a penalty kill this year
Are you serious? We would still have

1. fisher
2. Legwand
3. SK
4. AK (who can kill penalties)
5. Halishuck
6. Erat
7. Strotini
8. Mueller
9. I am sure we can find a replacement grinder.

I would do this deal and RUN with it. RUN with it to the bank.

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09-26-2011, 03:04 PM
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when you're a fan of the Oilers, you've earned the right to scoff at the talent of other teams.
Wasn't scoffing bud, just telling it like it is. I'm not insulting the Preds either, I actually find it very impressive how good they can be with one of the worst groups of top six forwards in the league (offensively of course). No need to get all defensive.

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This is my thought. I think turris ma,es the MOST sense out of anyone available... however I could really see Nashville targeting pominville or hartnell. All depends on hartnells health. Buffalo wont move pominville. Burris makes the most sense.

Who would you offer for Pommerz? .... He's looked great this pre-season so not sure id want him traded...but... always willing to listen

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09-26-2011, 03:06 PM
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Wasn't scoffing bud, just telling it like it is. I'm not insulting the Preds either, I actually find it very impressive how good they can be with one of the worst groups of top six forwards in the league (offensively of course). No need to get all defensive.
We are nashville.. we know how to get defensive.

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Lombardi for Robert Stanley

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Ah, touche, ha ha.

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Lombardi for Robert Stanley
It's actually Slaney.

But, it looks like Lombardi is 3-4 days away from game action. I'd take a 2nd+

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I wouldnt call this a rumor. Just them talking about what they think is possible.

It wont be Hartnell especially with his recent heart scare.
Poile is waiting for the right player, and its not him.

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Wasn't scoffing bud, just telling it like it is. I'm not insulting the Preds either, I actually find it very impressive how good they can be with one of the worst groups of top six forwards in the league (offensively of course). No need to get all defensive.
Some questionable signings/trades and or drafting with respect to forwards (eg., Preds cap hit for their forwards last season actually was higher than the Canucks [and it's not like the any Canuck forward has a 'retirement contract' to effectively reduce the cap hit]).

For a team that operates under a lower internal cap - that is a difficult obstacle to overcome.

It does show though how much better a job the club has done with respect to the other half of the game (preventing goals) with a limited budget - and of course great coaching.


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09-26-2011, 03:17 PM
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I wouldnt call this a rumor. Just them talking about what they think is possible.

It wont be Hartnell especially with his recent heart scare.
Poile is waiting for the right player, and its not him.
I wouldn't really call it a "heart scare," and he's only got this year left on his deal. That's still my eventual guess.

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09-26-2011, 03:22 PM
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Some questionable signings/trades and or drafting with respect to forwards (eg., Preds cap hit for their forwards last season actually was higher than the Canucks [and it's not like the any Canuck forward has a 'retirement contract' to effectively reduce the cap hit]).

For a team that operates under a lower internal cap - that is a difficult obstacle to overcome.
It's overstating a little bit, anyway...people scoff at Erat's 4.5, but his PPG rate would have had him close to 70 points, which is pretty decent bang for the buck. His issue is staying healthy. Ditto Legwand, who, had he played the entire year, would have wound up around 25 goals and 50 ish points. Again, not bad for 4.5 million, especially when you consider his defensive game. Hornqvist had a bit of a down year at 21 goals, 3.3 million. If Fisher gets back to the 25-ish mark, his 4.2 million per isn't bad, either.

A lot is made about how bad the Preds are offensively, but it's worth noting that they were in the top half of hte league (12) at even strength. When you're the third best defensive team in the league, you can get by on that. The issue is the same as it has been for 4 years -- the power play is ABSOLUTELY DREADFUL. We get promises that it will improve every year and it never does. For the first time in quite a while there's a fresh face running it in Lame Lambert, so we'll see. If the Preds had even a middle of the pack power play, they go from a good, solid playoff team to one that could do some actual damage.

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Some questionable signings/trades and or drafting with respect to forwards (eg., Preds cap hit for their forwards last season actually was higher than the Canucks [and it's not like the any Canuck forward has a 'retirement contract' to effectively reduce the cap hit]).

For a team that operates under a lower internal cap - that is a difficult obstacle to overcome.

It does show though how much better a job the club has done with respect to the other half of the game (preventing goals) with a limited budget - and of course great coaching.
Agree with everything you've said. That's what impresses me. They spend less than almost any other team, and get more out of the team (with good coaching and players buying into the system) than any other team does.

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Agree with everything you've said. That's what impresses me. They spend less than almost any other team, and get more out of the team (with good coaching and players buying into the system) than any other team does.
another point to make...their budget, every year, is the cap midpoint. they're 4 million below their payroll of last year and sitting at the floor, so the rumored number they're willing to add is 4-5 million, though i think with weber, suter and rinne all needing new deals next summer, they'd prefer it to be an expiring contract -- another reason Hartnell makes sense.

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What kind of return would Hartnell get? Flyers need some good young defense

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09-26-2011, 03:28 PM
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What kind of return would Hartnell get? Flyers need some good young defense
That's the area of strength the Preds are dealing from. I'd say that Ryan Ellis and Jon Blum are off the table, but there's a pretty good amount of other guys the flyers may be interested in.

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Who would you offer for Pommerz? .... He's looked great this pre-season so not sure id want him traded...but... always willing to listen
The chance Pominville gets traded before this season is exactly 0%, with no margin of error. I believe he's the favorite at this point to be the next captain of the Sabres.

Anyways, I can't see Nashville being interested in Kotalik. Not really a Trotz type of player, and his salary is exorbitant for what he can provide at the NHL level at this point in his career. Brad Boyes could inject some offense into the Preds' attack, but I don't really see a match as far as what Nashville may be willing to part with and what Buffalo would want in return.

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Sabres assigned Kotalik and Morrisonn to Rochester today. Ergo, no cap problem, no need to deal a forward, so nothing to see here, move along.

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Sabres assigned Kotalik and Morrisonn to Rochester today. Ergo, no cap problem, no need to deal a forward, so nothing to see here, move along.
Have you read "da" thread? The Sabres were briefly mentioned in the article, but most of the discussion has been around the Flyers and Predators.

So, no, YOU move along.

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Deadline deal if NSH is out of contention

To NSH:
Drew Stafford
BUF 2nd 2012
MA Gragnani

To BUF:
Ryan Suter
Conditional Draft pick (3rd, becomes 2nd if Suter doesnt sign before July 1)
4th round pick

I would hate to give up Stafford but we could move on of our strengths into something else. We would have the best D in the league and could potentially resign Boyes or another UFA to take his spot. This obviously would never happen, and I dont think it would work for cap reasons. But that is quiet the cost for a rental at the deadline

Myers-Suter
Regehr-Ehrhoff
Sekera-Weber/Leo

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Deadline deal if NSH is out of contention

To NSH:
Drew Stafford
BUF 2nd 2012
MA Gragnani

To BUF:
Ryan Suter
Conditional Draft pick (3rd, becomes 2nd if Suter doesnt sign before July 1)
4th round pick

I would hate to give up Stafford but we could move on of our strengths into something else. We would have the best D in the league and could potentially resign Boyes or another UFA to take his spot. This obviously would never happen, and I dont think it would work for cap reasons. But that is quiet the cost for a rental at the deadline

Myers-Suter
Regehr-Ehrhoff
Sekera-Weber/Leo
If, IF the Preds were out of contention, that's a deal I'd like them to consider...especially if they felt reasonably certain that Suter would return on July 1.

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If, IF the Preds were out of contention, that's a deal I'd like them to consider...especially if they felt reasonably certain that Suter would return on July 1.
If Suter makes it to July 1 there is no chance in the world he is a Predator IMO. He would be much better off signing with DET

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If Suter makes it to July 1 there is no chance in the world he is a Predator IMO. He would be much better off signing with DET
Unless he likes living\playing in Nashville, you mean? I know, it's a crazy concept, but it is possible.

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The chance Pominville gets traded before this season is exactly 0%, with no margin of error. I believe he's the favorite at this point to be the next captain of the Sabres.

Anyways, I can't see Nashville being interested in Kotalik. Not really a Trotz type of player, and his salary is exorbitant for what he can provide at the NHL level at this point in his career. Brad Boyes could inject some offense into the Preds' attack, but I don't really see a match as far as what Nashville may be willing to part with and what Buffalo would want in return.

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If Suter makes it to July 1 there is no chance in the world he is a Predator IMO. He would be much better off signing with DET
Right so he would leave Nashville the capital of Jack Daniels and Taylor Swift to play in the cesspool of the united states... hmmm...

Not really sure what your justification is. If I was a UFA, I wouldn't sign with detroit. I would sign with a younger team that is going to compete for YEARS to come. Detroit is getting old. I would go to LA or Boston or Buffalo or Carolina or Colorado or Tampa well before I go to detroit.

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