Would you tell a gay person that the "f" word isn't as offensive? It doesn't matter who suffered more, hate is hate. By the way, gays were rounded up and killed by the Nazis so I think they had it fairly bad. Hell they still are being denied their civil rights today and many still fear coming out. How would you feel to be a gay hockey player too terrified to come out because slurs were regularly used in the locker room and on the ice? How would you like to have your sexuality used as an insult and demeaned on a regular basis? Because the odds are there are players going through that in the NHL right now.
Bettman should have one of these and then donate the proceeds to all the various advocacy groups. But seriously..again not condoning the slurs just that the league has to weigh their actions when it comes to trying to clean the game up. The burden of proof is on them to fairly judge intent if they want to actually punish players and dock pay and like I said in the Simmonds case it's not going to be that clear cut.
Simmonds is wrong to have said it, and it's really stupid that the word has become so prevalent--it doesn't need to be. I talked **** when I played hockey--I'm sure all of us did--but I can honestly say that I never said it, especially since there are so many other things to call/say to someone.
All that being said, the thing that makes me most mad is that Avery has gone public with it. If it was another player, I probably wouldn't think much of it, but Avery here is just setting the table for pissing Simmonds off in the future. His complaining publicly is just an extension of his on-ice BS, and I don't think it's right to use such a politically-charged subject for his own gain.
The "f-word" has become an all-purpose pejorative along the lines of "p.o.s.", "a-hole", or "mf-er". I feel like GLAAD and others are missing the point and pushing the debate backwards when they insist that use of the word must be homophobic, rather than run-of-the-mill profanity for "person I want to insult." It's almost like every time someone publicly uses this word, even as an all-purpose insult, GLAAD has to hop up and say, "HEY, THAT MEANS US!!!" It's as if they refuse to let go of the word, which is a derogatory barb that does not even have its origins in homophobic speech.
Profane? Yes. Pejorative? Yes. Derogatory? Yes. Insulting? Yes. But why insist that this word must always be a homophobic slur, when recent usage shows the word is escaping this meaning?
The "f-word" has become an all-purpose pejorative along the lines of "p.o.s.", "a-hole", or "mf-er". I feel like GLAAD and others are missing the point and pushing the debate backwards when they insist that use of the word must be homophobic, rather than run-of-the-mill profanity for "person I want to insult." It's almost like every time someone publicly uses this word, even as an all-purpose insult, GLAAD has to hop up and say, "HEY, THAT MEANS US!!!" It's as if they refuse to let go of the word, which is a derogatory barb that does not even have its origins in homophobic speech.
Profane? Yes. Pejorative? Yes. Derogatory? Yes. Insulting? Yes. But why insist that this word must always be a homophobic slur, when recent usage shows the word is escaping this meaning?
I agree...I don't get how it the meaning evolved once but cant change twice...I started using the word as a kid before even knowing the meanings behind it, its just a word alot of people use and in most cases not to demean anyone group of people
This whole thing really is a mirror of avery's BS on ice antics. 99% of players would brush it off in the media but he basically advocated taking action on Simmonds. Just like on the ice when he runs his mouth and turns to the authorities to bail him out. His schtick is getting tired.
They only care because they saw the word being said. That's sad, but it's life.
Very little people think about the hundreds of dogs abused or killed each day, but when we see a video of someone committing the act THEN it's a huge issue (at least for a couple days then it's old news).
Pathetic, but again, this is how people work.
EDIT: I agree with the fine though, if it's caught on camera then the league has to do something or they will look homophobic to the public.
This is ridiculous. I'm sure no one's ever been called a ****** during a hockey game before. Get the **** outta here. Sean Avery got punked and took the coward's route yet again.
It's called having pride in who you are. It doesn't matter what the haters say.
I'm white with brownish/red hair.
If you think for one second that I would run to the media over being called a "cracker" and a "ginger" you better rethink.
This is seriously the worst post I've ever seen on these forums. Get back to me when you are regularly discriminated against over your white skin and brownish red hair.
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Originally Posted by Damaged Goods
The "f-word" has become an all-purpose pejorative along the lines of "p.o.s.", "a-hole", or "mf-er". I feel like GLAAD and others are missing the point and pushing the debate backwards when they insist that use of the word must be homophobic, rather than run-of-the-mill profanity for "person I want to insult." It's almost like every time someone publicly uses this word, even as an all-purpose insult, GLAAD has to hop up and say, "HEY, THAT MEANS US!!!" It's as if they refuse to let go of the word, which is a derogatory barb that does not even have its origins in homophobic speech.
Profane? Yes. Pejorative? Yes. Derogatory? Yes. Insulting? Yes. But why insist that this word must always be a homophobic slur, when recent usage shows the word is escaping this meaning?
Are you seriously that naive? The whole point of calling someone that word is to imply that they are less of a man by calling them gay.
Now I don't think everyone that says it are homophobic because sadly it is all too common, but the word is meant to use homosexuality as an insult.
This is seriously the worst post I've ever seen on these forums. Get back to me when you are regularly discriminated against over your white skin and brownish red hair.
Are you seriously that naive? The whole point of calling someone that word is to imply that they are less of a man by calling them gay.
Now I don't think everyone that says it are homophobic because sadly it is all too common, but the word is meant to use homosexuality as an insult.
I dont know where you are from, but honestly, where I am from, it is not used in that context. It is more of just an insult with no meaning used. We had a discussion of this in my sociology class, and about 99% of the class agreed with this.
Are you seriously that naive? The whole point of calling someone that word is to imply that they are less of a man by calling them gay.
Now I don't think everyone that says it are homophobic because sadly it is all too common, but the word is meant to use homosexuality as an insult.
The word wasn't made to insult gay people, it evolved into that meaning and in today's time it is evolving into what the poster you quoted was saying. In ten years time, the word might completely evolve away from being homophobic.
Wow this is absurd...what is said on the ice should stay there...I guess every player should now require a tampon as part of their uniform. Also I find it funny that Brian Burke only wants to see wayne punished because he has a gay son. Finally it is insane to even speak with simmonds after what happened to him last week with the banana incident, the way he handled that was amazing he could've called out the nhl or pulled the race card on hockey as a sport but he gave hockey a respectable answer and really took a lot of the pressure off of the nhl for the incident.
Bettman should have one of these and then donate the proceeds to all the various advocacy groups. But seriously..again not condoning the slurs just that the league has to weigh their actions when it comes to trying to clean the game up. The burden of proof is on them to fairly judge intent if they want to actually punish players and dock pay and like I said in the Simmonds case it's not going to be that clear cut.
This is getting dangerous and the brain washing of people is horrifying....has anyone here not read 1984 .....people, you DO not have the right not to be offended in a free society...the *** word is uttered between sports players and regular society on a frequent basis.....so what....if someone calls me a big stupid Irish Mick I do not go running to the police....the real scary problem is that how many people will disagree with me in the name of false tolerance.....
