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09-28-2011, 02:28 PM
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Wolski imo is the epitome of an X factor. He's still so young that he can improve in all areas of his game especially offensive consistency. I would have no problem with a 3-4 m deal for no more than 2 years if he has a 80+ type of year. After all it isn't often an 80+ point scorer walks as a RFA so it is an extraodinarily interesting hypothetical. but I'd also be looking at his compete level on a consistent basis and would also take a look at the FA market first.
With an extra 2 mill off from Drury. MZA, Avery, EC that's a good 5-6 mil. Assuming the cap doesnt move at all. My guess is there will be some trading after this season too. We have a real glut of older prospects at certain positions while having a glut of that position (C and D) at the NHL level. We also have some prospects with great potential but also great question marks. Names like, Wolski, Dubs, Girardi, MDZ, Vtank, Thomas, i would not be surprised to see moved by this time next year while those previously mentioned names will also be off the books. I also anticipate the team souring on McI's defensive progress at some point next year making hima candidate to move as well. I hope I'm proven wrong there though. They do really love his character which is huge wheras guys like grachev and Sangs characterwise did not fit with us. Even Werek was reportedly some1 with some issues.

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No way. We need a LW much more than we need a D. The D will resolve itself through our youth.
But here is a question for you:

If the Rangers sign Weber, they can then trade Sauer. What would Sauer return?

Sauer + for Pavelski?

Sauer for Booth?

Sauer for Bourque?

There are options if they feel a Weber-Staal pairing gives them the best chance to win for the long-haul.

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09-28-2011, 02:36 PM
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The day Wolski puts up 70 points is the day I root for the Penguins.

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09-28-2011, 02:40 PM
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The day Wolski puts up 70 points is the day I root for the Penguins.
I wouldn't be surprised by it tho I don't see it happenning. There are warning signs he's going to pull a Jose Reyes though

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But here is a question for you:

If the Rangers sign Weber, they can then trade Sauer. What would Sauer return?

Sauer + for Pavelski?

Sauer for Booth?

Sauer for Bourque?

There are options if they feel a Weber-Staal pairing gives them the best chance to win for the long-haul.
Think of what we want to offer for Gunnarsson and that's basically what we'll get in return, maybe a little more.

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I wouldn't be surprised by it tho I don't see it happenning. There are warning signs he's going to pull a Jose Reyes though
So you're saying Wolski will put up 30 goals in 20 games and then get hurt?

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Think of what we want to offer for Gunnarsson and that's basically what we'll get in return, maybe a little more.
Different situations. One would be done in the off-season, one is trying to get done in the middle of TC.

There would be a market for a player like Sauer.

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The day Wolski puts up 70 points is the day I root for the Penguins.
He already put up 65 before. Why wouldn't he be able to put up 70 grabbing secondary assists off of Richards and Gaborik and, well, his own skill, too.

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So you're saying Wolski will put up 30 goals in 20 games and then get hurt?
Lol no I don't think his hammy is a concern. Referring more to the all world season immediately before his contract is up but be a threat to just fail a bunch of seasons until the next time his contract comes up. So I wouldn't commit much year wise to him

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Different situations. One would be done in the off-season, one is trying to get done in the middle of TC.

There would be a market for a player like Sauer.
I don't think the difference is as big as you make it. If Sauer can really return Bourque or Booth, TML are going to be asking for a hell of a lot more than Hagelin+3rd for Gunnarsson.

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it really all depends. whats worth more to this franchise, signing wolski for like 4.5 mil or whatever his QO is....or signing Zach Parise for 7 mil.

imho, Parise should be the teams #1 priority this offseason.


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I don't think the difference is as big as you make it. If Sauer can really return Bourque or Booth, TML are going to be asking for a hell of a lot more than Hagelin+3rd for Gunnarsson.
If Sauer has a good year this year, that will give him (2) years in the NHL as a top-4 defenseman. Gunnarsson played just 68 games last year and 43 the year before. There is a difference.

Time of year also has a lot to do with it.

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If Sauer has a good year this year, that will give him (2) years in the NHL as a top-4 defenseman. Gunnarsson played just 68 games last year and 43 the year before. There is a difference.

Time of year also has a lot to do with it.
No doubt about it. However, I think the difference is smaller than what we were offering for Gunnarsson and, well, David Booth.

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No doubt about it. However, I think the difference is smaller than what we were offering for Gunnarsson and, well, David Booth.
I also don;t think Hagelin + 3rd gets it done for Gunnarsson. But that's just me.

It may be something like Sauer + 3rd but he can be a centerpiece to a deal for a top-6 LW.

Either way I don't think the Rangers could go wrong with either Weber or Parise. Both are Fantastic players.

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No doubt about it. However, I think the difference is smaller than what we were offering for Gunnarsson and, well, David Booth.
But there's still more to it.

What we're offering for what Gunnarsson isn't what Leafs WANT for him.

More, we don't NEED Gunnarsson; he would be a nice addition to round out the D. Something we don't NEED and if we want we have other options for, or can address at the deadline for the playoff push.

If we acquired another top pairing d-man and bumped Sauer out of a legit spot on this team, we could deal him to a team, in the beginning of the off-season, who is weak on D and actively looking for someone. The Leafs are trying to move Gunnarsson last minute when everyone has addressed their needs already and is just fine tuning. Hard to ask a premium. If we offered Sauer to a team that was weak defensively and looking to address that, at the beginning of the summer, we would ask a higher price.

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I don't think the difference is as big as you make it. If Sauer can really return Bourque or Booth, TML are going to be asking for a hell of a lot more than Hagelin+3rd for Gunnarsson.
agreed.

Plus Sauer on our 3rd pairing with Erixon or whoever is not a bad thing at all.

Imagine having:

McDonagh - Weber
Staal - Girardi
Erixon - Sauer

That would be one hellofa defence.

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agreed.

Plus Sauer on our 3rd pairing with Erixon or whoever is not a bad thing at all.

Imagine having:

McDonagh - Weber
Staal - Girardi
Erixon - Sauer

That would be one hellofa defence.
I don't see why McDonagh and Staal are switched. Weber needs a player like Staal to be able to play his game and frankly, McDonagh isn't a year or two away from being at Staal's level just yet.

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No way. We need a LW much more than we need a D. The D will resolve itself through our youth.
I feel both will.

Kreider and Fasth will sign pro contracts in the spring/summer.

Dubinsky, Kreider, Fasth, Miller, Yogan, Hagelin.

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I feel both will.

Kreider and Fasth will sign pro contracts in the spring/summer.

Dubinsky, Kreider, Fasth, Miller, Yogan, Hagelin.
Our defense prospects will be ready for third pair duty long before our left prospects will be quality second liners. Plus, Fasth is a right winger. We really have only Kreider as a potential second line LW, in addition to MZA and WW.

If we sign Parise, we are set for many years.

On the other hand, if we sign Weber, we will likely be in the in the bottom-3 in goals against every year. Can't go wrong with Weber.

But if the question is Weber or Parise, you gotta go with the LW.

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Don't want Weber anyway. The guy will get a ridiculous amount of money.

I don't see how we can fit Parise under the cap and still retain guys when they're due for raises.

The salary cap will probably be going down next year.

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it really all depends. whats worth more to this franchise, signing wolski for like 4.5 mil or whatever his QO is....or signing Zach Parise for 7 mil.

imho, Parise should be the teams #1 priority this offseason.


Parise - Richards - Gaborik
Pack Line
Kreider - Stepan - MZA
Rupp - Boyle - Prust

Staal - Girardi
Sauer - MCD
MDZ - Erixon
Please stop this, how many Devils must you sign to realize it doesn't work? Stop making ex Devils rich men! Signing Holik for crazy money didn't work, signing Gomez for insane money didn't work, Parise won't work either. Plus I do not wish to add another 7 MIL + player after we just cleared most of the old ones out.

Hey we just overpaid Rupp so there you go for your ex-devils for the year.

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Different situations. One would be done in the off-season, one is trying to get done in the middle of TC.

There would be a market for a player like Sauer.
you might overestimate Sauer's market value though. He needs to pass the sophmore slump exam and show the league he is able to overcome his injuries. I'm sure he's just gonna play through them but it could drastically reduce his shelf life in the NHL. Health has always been a concern with Sauer. Health concerns are the reason why he fell to us all the way in the 2nd round during his draft year.

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Please stop this, how many Devils must you sign to realize it doesn't work? Stop making ex Devils rich men! Signing Holik for crazy money didn't work, signing Gomez for insane money didn't work, Parise won't work either. Plus I do not wish to add another 7 MIL + player after we just cleared most of the old ones out.

Hey we just overpaid Rupp so there you go for your ex-devils for the year.
Holik = 3rd center ice man. his signing was ridiculous.
Gomez = 2a, 1b center ice man who does not make players around him better. his signing was ridiculous.
Parise = legit 1st liner who does it all and is still very young.

big difference IMO

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Holik = 3rd center ice man. his signing was ridiculous.
Gomez = 2a, 1b center ice man who does not make players around him better. his signing was ridiculous.
Parise = legit 1st liner who does it all and is still very young.

big difference IMO
So we have Hank at 6+, Richards for 7+ for the next decade, Gabby 6+, now you wanna add Parise for 7+?

That would be 26 mil for four players. I'm sorry but we said goodbye to Parise when we signed Richards.

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Don't want Weber anyway. The guy will get a ridiculous amount of money.

I don't see how we can fit Parise under the cap and still retain guys when they're due for raises.

The salary cap will probably be going down next year.
It isn't in the cards. Richards had tangible connections to NYR and wanted to come here, conveniently at a time when the cap jumped.

Parise is just Ranger fans wanting the big thing every time the FA season rolls around, regardless of whether it is tangible financially.

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