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09-30-2011, 01:08 PM
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While I think Voinov was the better of the two players slightly, if DL and TM were considering keeping Hickey over Voinov, the fact he makes $500K more than Voinov will likely kill that notion in the wake of Drew's new deal.
It matters, but they may not have a choice. We have to see what happens first. They would probably rather have Voynov at this point, but if they can't get him into the roster he may be gone and they are left with no choice but to keep Hickey as the first call-up/7th defenseman. The $500k is considerable, but even more is whether or not they can even retain the players.

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09-30-2011, 01:18 PM
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Completely untrue.

07/08-45.6 cap, 7.0 space, 15% space
08/09-43.8 cap, 17.0 space, 38% space
09/10-54.0 cap, 6.0 space, 11% space
10/11, 59.6 cap, 3.7 space, 6.2% space

Never has he had 7% space and even if you average all the seasons it still doesn't average 7%.

Why don't you do a little investigation before posting complete ********
Turn that frown upside down.

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09-30-2011, 01:33 PM
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If we sign Hunter what do you guys think it's for? I'm gonna guess Moreau money since it'll be a 1 year deal, anywhere from 600-850k.
Agreed. I threw a number out of $750,000 but it could be for the numbers you suggest. I doubt he'd get much higher elsewhere.

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09-30-2011, 01:34 PM
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Drewiske is a perfect #7 guy, I would think Martinez could still up in Manchester. No one wants Martinez, Voynov as the #7 in the press box.
No one wants Martinez? Really? 24-year old mobile d-man, who had a good first season in the NHL.

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09-30-2011, 01:36 PM
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Completely untrue.

07/08-45.6 cap, 7.0 space, 15% space
08/09-43.8 cap, 17.0 space, 38% space
09/10-54.0 cap, 6.0 space, 11% space
10/11, 59.6 cap, 3.7 space, 6.2% space

Never has he had 7% space and even if you average all the seasons it still doesn't average 7%.

Why don't you do a little investigation before posting complete ********
Wow, settle down dude.

If anything, your numbers support his claim simply because you're showing he's actually left a lot more than 7 per cent open, making the current level of approximately 3.5% seem like an abnormality.

No need to get pissed.

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09-30-2011, 01:40 PM
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No one wants Martinez? Really? 24-year old mobile d-man, who had a good first season in the NHL.
I want him and Voinov.

I don't get the obsession with keeping a lesser defenemen because Voinov and Martinez are too good to keep, which is basically the argument.

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No one wants Martinez? Really? 24-year old mobile d-man, who had a good first season in the NHL.
No, I said no one wants him or Martinez IN THE PRESS BOX.

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Completely untrue.

07/08-45.6 cap, 7.0 space, 15% space
08/09-43.8 cap, 17.0 space, 38% space
09/10-54.0 cap, 6.0 space, 11% space
10/11, 59.6 cap, 3.7 space, 6.2% space

Never has he had 7% space and even if you average all the seasons it still doesn't average 7%.

Why don't you do a little investigation before posting complete ********
After that post, I am now going to start calling you Magicmaniac.

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Originally Posted by Magicman View Post
Completely untrue.

07/08-45.6 cap, 7.0 space, 15% space
08/09-43.8 cap, 17.0 space, 38% space
09/10-54.0 cap, 6.0 space, 11% space
10/11, 59.6 cap, 3.7 space, 6.2% space

Never has he had 7% space and even if you average all the seasons it still doesn't average 7%.

Why don't you do a little investigation before posting complete ********
#1 It was an approximation. I could have said at least 7%, but you'd still have a problem with that.

#2 Are you mature enough to use Internet message boards?

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I want him and Voinov.

I don't get the obsession with keeping a lesser defenemen because Voinov and Martinez are too good to keep, which is basically the argument.
Well, it depends on the return. The Kings are pretty deep with defensive prospects, so the #7 dman spot is nothing more than a stopgap. I am pretty sure that Martinez would bring back more than Drewiske, and he is coming to the end of his ELC, so he may have more value as a young dman with a year left in his ELC rather than a RFA at the end of the season.

If Martinez could bring us back a decent winger prospect, I would definitely move him.

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09-30-2011, 02:42 PM
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Parse and Drewiske will likely get picked up if waived. Keep Drewiske up, he hasn't been bad and is useful as a 7. Parse...I'm not sure. Big supporter of his but his camp so far has only leaned me toward trading the guy. If we get a 3rd for him, I wouldn't be heartbroken.

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Drewiske is awful, he was good his first stint here then completely regressed since then.

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Parse and Drewiske will likely get picked up if waived. Keep Drewiske up, he hasn't been bad and is useful as a 7. Parse...I'm not sure. Big supporter of his but his camp so far has only leaned me toward trading the guy. If we get a 3rd for him, I wouldn't be heartbroken.
I agree that both would get picked up. I honestly think they'll both be solid nhlers. However, to keep 44DD up and sending Voinov down isn't good for Voinov's morale either. Voinov and Lokti both earned their stay.

I hope we can trade both Parse & 44DD and something in return.

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I agree that both would get picked up. I honestly think they'll both be solid nhlers. However, to keep 44DD up and sending Voinov down isn't good for Voinov's morale either. Voinov and Lokti both earned their stay.

I hope we can trade both Parse & 44DD and something in return.
But how does sitting Voynov every game fair for his morale? As I see it, he hasn't ousted Martinez of the 6 spot and keeping him around as a 7 is likely the worst course for his development. Sure, Dean should explain to him that he is their best Dman not on the roster and that he is, without doubt, the first call-up. And that, in time, a spot will become available to him. Not the best news but Voynov is a pro now and he should take it in stride. Same for Lokti. Keep em playing big minutes I say.

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Cap hit is probably interfering with Hickey's hopes of winning the #6/7 spot.

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Cap hit is probably interfering with Hickey's hopes of winning the #6/7 spot.
And the fact that Voynov is flat-out better.

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Drewiske is awful, he was good his first stint here then completely regressed since then.
Yeah but there's a lot of teams with awful D-man depth. If I was a team like Minnesota I'd pick 44DD up as a 7th... He's no worse than what they currently have, and to me being forced to use Greg Zanon as a top pairing guy is all sorts of terrifying!

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But how does sitting Voynov every game fair for his morale? As I see it, he hasn't ousted Martinez of the 6 spot and keeping him around as a 7 is likely the worst course for his development. Sure, Dean should explain to him that he is their best Dman not on the roster and that he is, without doubt, the first call-up. And that, in time, a spot will become available to him. Not the best news but Voynov is a pro now and he should take it in stride. Same for Lokti. Keep em playing big minutes I say.
Well, I wouldn't sit Voinov every game.

Greene=72 games
Martinez=52 games
Voinov=40 games plus injury games.

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Well, it depends on the return. The Kings are pretty deep with defensive prospects, so the #7 dman spot is nothing more than a stopgap. I am pretty sure that Martinez would bring back more than Drewiske, and he is coming to the end of his ELC, so he may have more value as a young dman with a year left in his ELC rather than a RFA at the end of the season.

If Martinez could bring us back a decent winger prospect, I would definitely move him.
I meant to good to keep up in the NHL (IE send one/both down and keep Drewiske). I've never understood why people believe that's the best option at this point.

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But how does sitting Voynov every game fair for his morale? As I see it, he hasn't ousted Martinez of the 6 spot and keeping him around as a 7 is likely the worst course for his development. Sure, Dean should explain to him that he is their best Dman not on the roster and that he is, without doubt, the first call-up. And that, in time, a spot will become available to him. Not the best news but Voynov is a pro now and he should take it in stride. Same for Lokti. Keep em playing big minutes I say.
Once again why? Why does he have to sit every game? Why is it so bad for him to be the #7?

At least with Loki it can be asked if he has the endurance to physically and mentally stand a full season and he needs to prove that. I don't buy it, but it is a valid concern. Voinov has nothing left to prove.

Even as a 7th D, Drewiske got 38 games this year and 42 the year before. And that's considering when we had injuries, he was ignored for minor league callups, like Martinez last year. If we had Voinov as the #7 and then someone gets hurt, we aren't going to call up someone. We are going to put Voinov into whatever pairing needs a body.

He'd get at least 55 games with the Kings as a number 7 D-man this year, playing likely 15+ minutes a game. And that's assuming the Kings D stays as healthy as it did last year which is hardly a guarantee.

I'd rather see him get into 2/3 of the NHL games then another full AHL season. He has nothing to prove or really learn down there.

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Well, I wouldn't sit Voinov every game.

Greene=72 games
Martinez=52 games
Voinov=40 games plus injury games.
this, though I'd likely up Martinez's games to 70+. Even Drewiske got 38 games as a #7, so that pretty much equals what you said already, and unlike Drewiske, Voinov would actually benefit from someone getting hurt, not have a kid from Manchester pass him.

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This is my prediction...

FORWARDS
Dustin Penner ($4.250m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Justin Williams ($3.650m)
Simon Gagne ($3.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Dustin Brown ($3.175m)
Kyle Clifford ($0.870m) / Jarret Stoll ($3.600m) / Trent Hunter ($0.600m)
Brad Richardson ($1.175m) / Trevor Lewis ($0.725m) / Ethan Moreau ($0.600m)
Kevin Westgarth ($0.525m)

DEFENSEMEN
Willie Mitchell ($3.500m) / Drew Doughty ($7.000m)
Rob Scuderi ($3.400m) / Jack Johnson ($4.357m)
Alec Martinez ($0.737m) / Matt Greene ($2.950m)
Davis Drewiske ($0.616m) / Vyacheslav Voinov ($0.816m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Quick ($1.800m) / Jonathan Bernier ($1.250m)


SALARY CAP: $64,300,000;
CAP PAYROLL: $61,647,976;
BONUSES: $135,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,652,024

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