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10-02-2011, 04:47 PM
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I think the main penalty for not reaching the floor is that they don't qualify for revenue sharing ie. they stand to lose a lot of money if they stay below.
There is no explicit penalty in the CBA for not reaching the floor. It would be a grievance that the union would file and it would go to arbitration.

The NHL may have some penalty with it's clubs that isn't in the CBA, but there is nothing explicit in the CBA in terms of penalties.

Contrast that with significant pages and pages describing the penalties for trying to circumvent the cap.

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10-02-2011, 05:36 PM
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I think the main penalty for not reaching the floor is that they don't qualify for revenue sharing ie. they stand to lose a lot of money if they stay below.
from what i understand, because the isles are in one of the top markets, they dont get revenue sharing anyways.

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10-02-2011, 05:48 PM
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Precisely why they were all sent down while Reese is still up. Reese is the 8th dman of all who are left. Would you rather any of the 3 mentioned get no playing time on the big club?
Reese was already waived days ago so the hard part is already done as far as sending him down goes.

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I think the main penalty for not reaching the floor is that they don't qualify for revenue sharing ie. they stand to lose a lot of money if they stay below.
The Islanders don't get one red cent of revenue sharing.

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10-02-2011, 05:51 PM
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My picks for being sent down next for sure:
Pandolfo (signs two way deal or gets cut)
Strome (back to juniors)
Frischmon

I think depending on the health of Nino and maybe the health of another forward, my dark horse to stay up would be Kabanov. I know it's a stretch but it gives us a look for a couple of games.

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10-02-2011, 05:57 PM
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My picks for being sent down next for sure:
Pandolfo (signs two way deal or gets cut)
Strome (back to juniors)
Frischmon

I think depending on the health of Nino and maybe the health of another forward, my dark horse to stay up would be Kabanov. I know it's a stretch but it gives us a look for a couple of games.
Kabanov just said on his Facebook he'll be "leaving Long Island soon" and he "doesn't know where he's playing this year".

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10-02-2011, 06:28 PM
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Kabanov just said on his Facebook he'll be "leaving Long Island soon" and he "doesn't know where he's playing this year".
Hmmm....those two statements seem to contradict each other. He is leaving Long Island but he doesn't know if he is going to the Isles or Juniors? Shouldn't he know where is going?

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10-02-2011, 06:31 PM
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Kabanov just said on his Facebook he'll be "leaving Long Island soon" and he "doesn't know where he's playing this year".
As I understand it, the Euro leagues will respect Kabanov's ELC with the NYI.. So Kabanov must:

1) Play for the Islanders
2) Play in junior
3) Agree to be loaned to a European team, and the Islanders must sign-off on that as well.

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10-02-2011, 06:34 PM
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As I understand it, the Euro leagues will respect Kabanov's ELC with the NYI.. So Kabanov must:

1) Play for the Islanders
2) Play in junior
3) Agree to be loaned to a European team, and the Islanders must sign-off on that as well.
It would be nice if the Islanders can just send him to the AHL

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10-02-2011, 06:36 PM
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It would be nice if the Islanders can just send him to the AHL
Someone said if the junior team that holds his rights agrees, then he could play in the AHL.. I don't know if that's true or not. I've never heard that one before..

But from a business standpoint - from the JUNIOR TEAMS' perspectives - I would never allow this.

From the NYI perspective obviously I wish that would be permissible.

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10-02-2011, 06:51 PM
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As I understand it, the Euro leagues will respect Kabanov's ELC with the NYI.. So Kabanov must:

1) Play for the Islanders
2) Play in junior
3) Agree to be loaned to a European team, and the Islanders must sign-off on that as well.
Yeahh...NO THANKS ...kids made too much progress(off ice) to let him roam wild in Europe....

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Someone said if the junior team that holds his rights agrees, then he could play in the AHL.. I don't know if that's true or not. I've never heard that one before..

But from a business standpoint - from the JUNIOR TEAMS' perspectives - I would never allow this.

From the NYI perspective obviously I wish that would be permissible.
It is true if they want to do it. They might want to do it if there are other Euros they want on their team. They can only have a couple.

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10-02-2011, 07:02 PM
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Yeahh...NO THANKS ...kids made too much progress(off ice) to let him roam wild in Europe....
Hahaha..

True, true..

But also because he's signed his ELC then he's subject to the NHLPA oversight as well. The NHLPA needs to protect Kabanov's wishes and interests while complying with the CBA...

So now the Islanders can't just do whatever they want with him.. If KK refuses to report to a European club then I would imagine the Islanders can:

1) Let him play on Long Island
2) Assign him to his junior team
3) Waive him and buy him out, making him a UFA
4) Beg his junior team to allow him to play in the AHL (apparently?)

My guess is we're in for a big ol' dose of #2.

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10-02-2011, 07:55 PM
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Kabanov is going back to CHL for sure. Could be traded to a different junior team.

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10-02-2011, 07:59 PM
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Haley should still be here and Gillies should be long gone...oh well, Haley's bound to be back sooner or later.

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10-02-2011, 08:27 PM
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Kabanov's junior team already is at the maximum limit of European Imports, so it will be interesting to see what happens to him.

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10-02-2011, 09:55 PM
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Umm, how are we going to develop 3 young strong goalies in Bridgeport?? We can't send one of those guys to another team to get playing time? I'm not liking that AT ALL!

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10-02-2011, 10:21 PM
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Umm, how are we going to develop 3 young strong goalies in Bridgeport?? We can't send one of those guys to another team to get playing time? I'm not liking that AT ALL!
I'm thinking one (Miko) will go to Kalamazoo

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10-02-2011, 10:28 PM
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I'm thinking one (Miko) will go to Kalamazoo
If another AHL team was willing to give one of the Islanders goalies enough playing time(ie more then 40 games), I would send Nilsson there

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10-02-2011, 11:31 PM
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I'm thinking one (Miko) will go to Kalamazoo
Cool, i just didn't know if there was an actual option to handle this. There is no way you can have a third goalie prospect getting no playing time that would be brutal.


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10-02-2011, 11:38 PM
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Based on what Kirill is saying on Facebook...he's been told he won't be on the Isles...and is too young to play in the AHL, and that his agent is working on where he's going to play. We'd assume he would just go play for his junior team in Canada...but if it's true that they don't have the room for him (which makes sense since he doesn't seem to know where he's going)...I'm guessing they're trying to find a spot for him somewhere. I'm sure the Isles are paying close attention, since they're going to want him in a good atmosphere...and I doubt they'd want him going to Europe.

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10-02-2011, 11:46 PM
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Based on what Kirill is saying on Facebook...he's been told he won't be on the Isles...and is too young to play in the AHL, and that his agent is working on where he's going to play. We'd assume he would just go play for his junior team in Canada...but if it's true that they don't have the room for him (which makes sense since he doesn't seem to know where he's going)...I'm guessing they're trying to find a spot for him somewhere. I'm sure the Isles are paying close attention, since they're going to want him in a good atmosphere...and I doubt they'd want him going to Europe.
Can his Q team just give us permission to place him in the AHL?

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I think the main penalty for not reaching the floor is that they don't qualify for revenue sharing ie. they stand to lose a lot of money if they stay below.
And if you're like the islanders and in a "big market" and don't get revenue sharing to begin with?

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I'm thinking one (Miko) will go to Kalamazoo
That affiliation just ended. Isles have no ECHL affilate to assign him to.

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Can his Q team just give us permission to place him in the AHL?
That's what I thought. And if there's no room for him, they should be willing to let him play in the AHL, as long as the Isles want him in Bridgeport. I suspect maybe the Isles would rather he get another year in junior, and asked his agent to see what the options are for placing him on another team in the Q. If nobody has room for him, and the Isles still don't want him in Bridgeport, I think Europe would be the only other option, which certainly isn't ideal.

I dunno the rules of switching junior leagues...but I wonder if he can go from the QMJHL to the WHL or OHL, if there's a team that wants him. With his performance at the end of the season and playoffs, I'm sure someone will take him.

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Reese was already waived days ago so the hard part is already done as far as sending him down goes.
My point is Reese is not a prospect so it doesn't really matter if he's the 8th dman who plays only in case of injury. He is up for depth security reasons. I feel a lot more comfortable having him up in that role than CDH, Donovan, or Ness.

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