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10-04-2011, 08:01 AM
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People should just chill out..
Even if he comes back halfway through the season, we still have him for 2.5 more years!
Most of you forget quickly. What's our record with him in the lineup again??? His injury is a blessing in disguise. The team had to learn to win without him and now that they did adding him back to this lineup is the cherry on top!
A healthy Markov is the difference between playoffs and Stanley Cup!

Stay positive habfans!
Markov...
A healthy Subban and Price is the difference between playoffs and a Cup. Markov is no longer that important to our Habs...he better not be since he's never there anyways. Subban and Price are.
Markov is just there if he ever comes back to give some rest to our more important dmen (Subban, Gorges,etc...). I want to be wrong but Markov just may be damaged goods and he's just holding on for 3 seasons for the paychecks. I repeat/re-write...I want to be wrong. I want Markov to prove all of us Hab fans wrong (the ones that are cynical/skeptical about Markov, ex: me).

My nightmare:
It is possible for Markov to collect the $18 million without giving us much in return or close to nothing (after all he's done it before!). I don't want this to happen I'm maybe writing this in hope that it doesn't happen! He won't retire anytime soon...he has too much money to collect from our Habs (as if he didn't make enough from the last 7 seasons).



Campoli...
The negative: Shanahan pulled a Colin ''large-piece-of-sheet'' Campbell on us.
The positive: Campoli is fine, great news for him and us...we really need him with Markov OUT...as usual. Still...Malone (large-piece-of-sheet) should have received 5 games at least. A hit to the head is a hit to the head. I just hope Shanahan is not anti-Habs or else we're in for a long season. Unless we get a Chris Neil type.



Markov...
We really need Markov to come back a 100%, so if it means end of October or early November then so be it I don't want to see him come back early just to play 5 games and re-injure himself (that would be so depressing). But remember...every game he is out our Subban, Gorges, Gill, Campoli,etc...are at risk of playing too much and playing too much is also putting yourself at more risk of injury. We need Markov to do what he's paid to do...play hockey. He better ****ing average 65+games/season, and he better show up when the real season counts. I'm so sick and tired of being disappointed by this millionaire who has sucked $40 million from our Habs and has nothing to show for it, season after season. And yes I remember how good he was 3 seasons ago, but so what? What's the use of being good in 2008 when you constantly disappoint your team with your extremely fragile body. I hope Markov proves me wrong and any other fan like me 'cause we need him on ice to help our Habs. And whever he does come back I want him to avoid bodychecks whenever he can...there's nothing wrong with that. Some of the smartest dmen know who is coming at him and are able to avoid the bodycheck (Subban is good at this).


Gomez...Yemelin...:
I'm usually a very positive Hab fan (except in Markov's case). I'm positive towards Gomez and how he should help our team. I'm patient with Yemelin...I'd give him a year and a half before judging what he can really do...I just hope he sticks around long enough for us to see what he's really made of 'cause we really need his physical play.

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10-04-2011, 08:34 AM
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I spent a lot of time watching Chicago games with him there. He definitely should have a solid impact here, so long as we don't expect too much. He is an excellent bottom pairing but can struggle some when pressured as a relied upon defender. I love Martin pairing him with Gorges. That is exactly who Campoli needs to check his faults, while allowing him to play a bit more offensively.

Is there any word on Subban?
Why ? What's wrong with Subban ? He played the last PS game. Am i missing something ?

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10-04-2011, 09:17 AM
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Why ? What's wrong with Subban ? He played the last PS game. Am i missing something ?
Was thinking the exact same thing.

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Moen back at practice as per multiple tweets

Edit: He is practicing on a line with Weber and Engqvist


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Moen back at practice as per multiple tweets

Edit: He is practicing on a line with Weber and Engqvist
What is with JM's obsession of playing a Swiss Defender on the wing ?

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Moen back at practice as per multiple tweets

Edit: He is practicing on a line with Weber and Engqvist
Diaz in top 6 then..


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What is with JM's obsession of playing a Swiss Defender on the wing ?
Humm it was Carbonneau who did it with Streit

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Humm it was Carbonneau who did it with Streit
I reiterate ! What is it with the Habs organization and playing Defensemen as forwards ?

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Humm it was Carbonneau who did it with Streit
And it worked. Streit excelled as a third line winger and PP specialist. Unfortunately he wanted to play D, so we couldn't sign. To be honset, Weber's looked good on the wing. It's funny that Montreal keeps trying this d-on-the-wing experiment, but it's not unheard of. Other teams have done it in the past. As Weber himself said, he'd rather be playing on the wing that riding the bench as a #8 d.

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Diaz in top 6 then..

Full lineup at practice:

Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta,
Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Cammalleri,
Darche-Desharnais-Cole,
Moen-Engqvist-Weber,
Blunden-Eller-Palushaj


Gill-Subban,
Gorges-Campoli,
Spacek-Diaz,
Woywitka-Yemelin

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Full lineup at practice:

Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta,
Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Cammalleri,
Darche-Desharnais-Cole,
Moen-Engqvist-Weber,
Blunden-Eller-Palushaj


Gill-Subban,
Gorges-Campoli,
Spacek-Diaz,
Woywitka-Yemelin
Phew this tells me they are fictacious. Cole on the third line.
Meaning Yemelin will play in the place of Diaz in the center of the universe.

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10-04-2011, 10:07 AM
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Travis Moen est de retour à l'entraînement avec ses coéquipiers.

Travis Moen is back at practice with the team. He's replaced Palushaj on the 4th line.


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Actually, you are quite wrong. 12 months of recovery is suitable for the average person like you and I. Recovery for a highly trained athlete who has millions of dollars and highly expensive and well educated surgeons and doctors with a load of trainers to provide excellent physiotherapy is likely to not require a full 12 months.
12 months recover for a second ACL surgery is the timeframe given...it doesn't mean he'll need the full 12 months, but that's generally what the length of recovery is. The human body is unpredictable, but 12 months is the prescribed recovery time given for this type of re-injury.

Which means, that Markov today, IS ahead of schedule since his surgery was on December 8th...

So assuming he's back at some point in November...he will have needed about 11 months recovery.

Obviously, the coaching staff, management, doctors and i'm sure he himself...do not want to take any risks this time around since he probably came back too early the last time which is why such an incidental contact tore his ACL a second time.

I don't see how i'm 'quite wrong' here...very obvious facts show that i'm 'quite right'

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10-04-2011, 10:16 AM
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Travis Moen est de retour à l'entraînement avec ses coéquipiers.

Travis Moen is back at practice with the team. He's replaced Palushaj on the 4th line.
No Yemelin...and Cole with Desharnais/Darche...


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No Yemelin...and Cole with Desharnais/Darche...

Not sure why everyone is so worried about who is playing with who...the guys you see listed there, you're likely to see all of them at some point, in different roles throughout the year.

JM's got 9 or 10 guys he can shift around in the top 6-9...and he's got another 5-6 guys to play the bottom 3 role.

Yemelin might not start the year game 1 but it doesn't mean by game 75, he won't be playing an important role.

I think what's more important to capture in all of this is the players at camp today + Marko & White, are likely to make up the entire nucleus of the Habs team this year...counting call-ups/promotions.

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Moen back at practice as per multiple tweets

Edit: He is practicing on a line with Weber and Engqvist
LOL what a random, useless line. Either you get rid of Moen and go with a skill/shutdown line (which aside from Enqvist, we lack the players for), or you build a tough line that is hard to play against, in which case you can MAYBE keep Enqvist, but then you need to move Weber off that line and have a guy like Blunden there.

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I reiterate ! What is it with the Habs organization and playing Defensemen as forwards ?
So random...Weber, Streit, Gorges, Bouillon, Dandenault, O'Byrne...All of them have played forward on this team before. At one point you had Dandenault on the first line with Koivu...Ah, the good old Carbo days.

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Not sure why everyone is so worried about who is playing with who...the guys you see listed there, you're likely to see all of them at some point, in different roles throughout the year.

JM's got 9 or 10 guys he can shift around in the top 6-9...and he's got another 5-6 guys to play the bottom 3 role.

Yemelin might not start the year game 1 but it doesn't mean by game 75, he won't be playing an important role.

I think what's more important to capture in all of this is the players at camp today + Marko & White, are likely to make up the entire nucleus of the Habs team this year...counting call-ups/promotions.
We didn't sign Erik Cole for $18million to be saddled with Darche and Desharnais.

He would never admit it because he is a professional, but pretty discouraging when you see who JM is playing him with.

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AK and Desharnais were terrible together in the pre-season, once Eller is back Cole will probably be put with Plekanec and we'll see AK and Eller put back together.

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No Yemelin...and Cole with Desharnais/Darche...

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I notice some are puzzled as to Cole being on #Habs 3rd line. From day one, team has preached balance. In Eller's absence, this adds balance

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We didn't sign Erik Cole for $18million to be saddled with Darche and Desharnais.

He would never admit it because he is a professional, but pretty discouraging when you see who JM is playing him with.
I can guarantee you, that Erik Cole is not going to play 82 games with Darche and Desharnais.

take it to the bank

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I can guarantee you, that Erik Cole is not going to play 82 games with Darche and Desharnais.

take it to the bank
I think you can also take it to the bank that on the 6th in Toronto, he will be paying with Cammy and Pleks.

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I think you can also take it to the bank that on the 6th in Toronto, he will be paying with Cammy and Pleks.
Probably...i'm sure the lineup will change even on a game to game basis based on how the game is going.

JM's got options this year and I fully expect him to exploit all of them when the situation calls for it

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I can guarantee you, that Erik Cole is not going to play 82 games with Darche and Desharnais.

take it to the bank
IMPOSSIBLE

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I can't wait until Eller is back. I like Desharnais...I just don't think, considering what we have, he's a good fit at C. Eller, AK, and either DD or Darche depending on the situation is a great, balanced 3rd line.

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