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10-04-2011, 01:00 PM
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I'm okay with the acquisition but why Oreskovich!? Volpatti's a turd out there!

I guess Pinizotto - Lapierre - Weise looks pretty good, but I'd be happier with an Oreskovich spare.

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10-04-2011, 01:02 PM
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Not opposed to the pickup at all, could be a good move, no real risk to it.

But i am surprised that it was Oreskovich waived instead of sending Volpatti down. Other than the LW/RW thing...did they feel the need for TWO underwhelming fighters instead of just one? I liked a lot of what Oreo showed late in camp, showed he actually has some hands, and has that ability to absolutely obliterate people when he gets a solid hit in. Volpatti is pretty meh. Doesn't really do anything particularly well, still not really NHL calibre. But oh well. Hopefully Lappy and Weise can carry that line until we get healthier and someone else likely gets bumped down to play with them.
If you follow the interviews with the coaches the writing was on the wall; they love Volpatti (he blocks shots?), and Vigneault's comments on Oreskovich were lukewarm at best (even after his previous two stronger outings). I think Oreskovich either needs to figure out how to contribute a bit more in the offensive zone, or he needs to incorporate a bunch more grit and tenacity in his game if he ever wants to make the NHL (under AV anyways).

Oreskovich isn't exactly a liability, but he doesn't do anything particularly well; can't fight, can't score, is inconsistent with his physical play.

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10-04-2011, 01:03 PM
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Oreskovich lost his spot when he stood there and watched Lapierre fight Peckham.

AV made it pretty clear in the pre-season that he needed Oreskovich to assert himself physically and he really didn't. He made some nice plays with the puck but he's not good enough at that aspect of the game to let him off the hook for being physical.

It's just not in his nature to fight, I guess.

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10-04-2011, 01:07 PM
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If you follow the interviews with the coaches the writing was on the wall; they love Volpatti (he blocks shots?), and Vigneault's comments on Oreskovich were lukewarm at best (even after his previous two stronger outings). I think Oreskovich either needs to figure out how to contribute a bit more in the offensive zone, or he needs to incorporate a bunch more grit and tenacity in his game if he ever wants to make the NHL (under AV anyways).

Oreskovich isn't exactly a liability, but he doesn't do anything particularly well; can't fight, can't score, is inconsistent with his physical play.
I think this is the thing that did him in. I remember AV saying that every player had to have a bottom line, one thing that they could do consistently and well at an NHL level to make the team... obviously Oreo didn't.

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10-04-2011, 01:08 PM
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Oreskovich lost his spot when he stood there and watched Lapierre fight Peckham.
Not sure how you figure that? Oreskovich got gang ***** for hitting RNH, then Lapierre got peeled out of the pile by Peckham. What was Oreskovich supposed to do once the fight started? Bust away from the linesman and be 3rd man in?

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10-04-2011, 01:10 PM
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Not sure how you figure that? Oreskovich got gang ***** for hitting RNH, then Lapierre got peeled out of the pile by Peckham. What was Oreskovich supposed to do once the fight started? Bust away from the linesman and be 3rd man in?
Try or go do something to Peckham later. In general, he doesn't really want to be a fighter but he's not good enough to just play without that element unfortunately.

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10-04-2011, 01:13 PM
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Maybe it was Lappy standing up for Oreo in that Oilers pre-season game.
Exactly...
Oreo makes the hit on Nugent-Hopkins and he knew there was going to be a scrum,
he didn't stand up for himself other than bear-hugging some guy, so as a result...
Lapierre takes a pounding for sticking up for him

That's sort of like a "Matt Cooke Light" move

Gillis most likely realized they put the wrong guy on waivers
It should of been Duco who stayed and Oreo should of been sent down

So instead of risking losing Duco if they recall him, they picked up Weise instead

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10-04-2011, 01:17 PM
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I'm guessing he was waived now so he could be brought up later if necessary. Easier to waive now and have him go through then when teams start losing guys to injury

I suspect he'll clear

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Try or go do something to Peckham later. In general, he doesn't really want to be a fighter but he's not good enough to just play without that element unfortunately.
I think that was what Gillis concluded. I actually thought that Oreskovich had some promise as a fourth liner who could score some goals and hit. He wasn't going to be the fighter on that line but he showed some offensive skills that were enough to tease you into wondering if there was something there that we could have developed. Hopefully he clears waivers.

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10-04-2011, 01:21 PM
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Try or go do something to Peckham later. In general, he doesn't really want to be a fighter but he's not good enough to just play without that element unfortunately.
I understand what you are saying but it doesn't serve much purpose for Oreskovich to start something with Peckham and get his arse handed to him. It might show he's game but getting his getting his butt kicked just to prove he's game doesn't make much sense to me.

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10-04-2011, 01:22 PM
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Oreskovich>Volpatti

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10-04-2011, 01:24 PM
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Exactly...
Oreo makes the hit on Nugent-Hopkins and he knew there was going to be a scrum,
he didn't stand up for himself other than bear-hugging some guy, so as a result...
Lapierre takes a pounding for sticking up for him

That's sort of like a "Matt Cooke Light" move

Gillis most likely realized they put the wrong guy on waivers
It should of been Duco who stayed and Oreo should of been sent down

So instead of risking losing Duco if they recall him, they picked up Weise instead
They can call Duco up whenever they want without waivers. He's only exposed to waivers on the way down.

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Not sure how you figure that? Oreskovich got gang ***** for hitting RNH, then Lapierre got peeled out of the pile by Peckham. What was Oreskovich supposed to do once the fight started? Bust away from the linesman and be 3rd man in?
Why not? It's just a pre-season game and while Lappy isn't exactly a "core player" - he's a solid roster player.

Reason why I didn't hold it against Bertuzzi for getting suspended during the *regular season* for coming off the bench when he thought Jovo was overmatched in his fight with another player (forget who the guy was).

Don't care if Weise is an awful fighter; so as long as he's willing to drop the mitts so guys like Lappy don't have to (would obviously feel different if it was Lappy who started the whole fracus).

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Oreskovich>Volpatti
I know I'm in the minority but I'll take Volpatti over Oreskovich. I think Volpatti is a smarter player.

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Oreskovich>Volpatti
Oreskovich cant kill penalties, coasts, and doesnt finish all his checks.

Volpatti does all those things.

The only thing Oreskovich has on Volpatti is size.

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Why not? It's just a pre-season game and while Lappy isn't exactly a "core player" - he's a solid roster player.

Reason why I didn't hold it against Bertuzzi for getting suspended during the *regular season* for coming off the bench when he thought Jovo was overmatched in his fight with another player (forget who the guy was).

Don't care if Weise is an awful fighter; so as long as he's willing to drop the mitts so guys like Lappy don't have to (would obviously feel different if it was Lappy who started the whole fracus).
Lappy is going to have to fight some of his own battles. When you play like he does he's going to be a target.

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Reason why I didn't hold it against Bertuzzi for getting suspended during the *regular season* for coming off the bench when he thought Jovo was overmatched in his fight with another player (forget who the guy was).
You can scratch Deadmarsh off the list.

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Lappy is going to have to fight some of his own battles. When you play like he does he's going to be a target.
True - I expect him to fight some of the battles he basically starts.

But I'm more talking about how I expect Weise to drop the mitts on times where he throws hits like Oreo did that initiated that "altercation". I understand why Oreo doesn't particularly like fighting (as he isn't good at it); but when you play "gritty" - it is expected you have to "answer the bell".

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Lappy is going to have to fight some of his own battles. When you play like he does he's going to be a target.
That wasn't his battle, though. That was Oreskovich's battle.

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Oreskovich cant kill penalties, coasts, and doesnt finish all his checks.

Volpatti does all those things.

The only thing Oreskovich has on Volpatti is size.
If Volpatti is getting regular PK time then we are in trouble.

Guess were going with the no skill 4th line who can fight + Lappy

Oh and I guarantee Volpatti won't be on this team by the playoffs

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All that Oreskovich skill is gone!

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Aw...who's going to hug Oreskovich now?

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Guess were going with the no skill 4th line who can fight + Lappy
Your point doesn't hold water; swapping Oreskovich for Weise isn't exactly a drop-off in skill, in fact Weise has had a ton more offensive AHL success then Oreskovich has ever had. If anything, the fourth line just got more skilled, but lost a bit of speed.

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Let's keep this in perspective. This guy doesn't have to be the best 4th liner ever. He just needs to be better than Oreskovich and everything on his record says that he is.
Spot on. This is a +1 for offensive potential in the bottom 6. Minor upgrade is still a positive move.

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That wasn't his battle, though. That was Oreskovich's battle.
Its a good thing we brought in this chump to fight them.. lets look at the Ranger fans reactions to him getting claimed shall we

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dime a dozen in the NHL.
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Weise fights????
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What he does in those scuffles is not fighting.
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not a big loss
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No big loss. This guy is a punching bag.
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A 4th liner who can't scrap...
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weise was terrible..
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Weise never showed me much at the NHL level.
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Idk where people get him being a good fighter from, any fight I've seen him in he was a punchingbag on skates.
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He showed up and did nothing to earn that spot here.
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Bad fighter, average skater, average player; no future here. A non event.
And that was just a small sample of the player were getting... you can check the rest on the rangers board

we got a good player!!

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