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10-04-2011, 01:36 PM
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Homer downplays suggestion that a trade is in the works.#Flyers

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He's currently injured, which likely has a lot to do with it. The theory espoused by many here is that he will be allowed to rehab in the AHL while Courturier gets a few games to see what he can do in the regular season.
OK. Then it makes way more sense in that case.

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10-04-2011, 01:39 PM
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At least Brayden gets to hold onto the title of "Best Player Not in the NHL"

Remember, we heard the same thing about Fabian Brunnstrom and Jonas Gustavsson a couple years ago so ... it's not to be taken too seriously !

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Coming in peace. Completely shocked when I heard the news. I thought Schenn was as close to a lock as a player can be.
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10-04-2011, 01:46 PM
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I was scared to death when I read this at first, then I figured it must have had something to do with a roster limit or cap workaround. Thank God.

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Damn I was predicting 62 points in the NHL for Schenn this year. I wanted to see this kid play. Oh well I guess I'll have to wait.

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=377385

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Sources say Philadelphia Flyers forward Brayden Schenn has been informed he will be temporarily assigned to the AHL and the motivation behind this move is 100% cap specific.

Schenn's contract, negotiated by the Los Angeles Kings will pay him $900,000 this year, plus $850,000 in entry level 'A' bonuses for a total of $1.75 million, however Schenn has substantial 'B' bonuses included in his deal that would be very cap unfriendly to the Flyers.

The 'B' bonuses in the first two years of his contract pay Schenn $1.265 million and $1.405 million if he plays 25 minutes in each of the 82 regular season games.

These are unlikely, if not impossible bonuses to achieve, although Philadelphia isn't willing to take the chance and face the possibility of having to absorb a cap hit of just over $3 million, so to cut the cap hit to a reasonable $1.75 million for this season, Schenn will be assigned to the Philadelphia Phantoms for at least one game, therefore nullifying the 'B' bonus clause this season.

In the third year of Schenn's contract, he doesn't have to play the 25 minutes in all regular season games to earn a handsome $1.5 million dollar bonus, but to qualify he would have to have an All-Star season, finish among the league's point leaders and win a major award.
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General manager Paul Holmgren said he was not trying to be “cryptic,” but the messages sent from the Flyers to the rest of the NHL on Tuesday were muddled.

Curiously, on the day that Brayden Schenn had his locker moved from the Phantoms’ locker room down the hall to the Flyers’ big boy room, the Flyers “loaned” their prized prospect to the AHL.

We say “loaned” in quotations because he may not actually be traveling far.

In fact, Schenn may still end up flying to Boston with the Flyers.

It all has to do with the cap. By not skating in Thursday’s opener against the Bruins, the Flyers will save themselves a ton of money on the cap - and make Schenn’s seemingly large $3.11 million cap hit turn into a much more manageable $1.75 million cap hit, according to TSN’s Darren Dreger.

Schenn would have qualified for a $1.405 million bonus payout - which counts against the salary cap - if he played in all 82 games with the Flyers this season.

Thus, by spending Thursday on the the AHL roster, Schenn would immediately save the Flyers that money off the top of the cap. That bonus clause reportedly only applies to the 2011-12 season on his contract.

Even though Schenn played just 4 preseason games with the Flyers because of a shoulder injury, Holmgren said they had enough of a look at him to know where he stands in the lineup.

“He’s healthy now, he’s ready to play and take part in things,” Holmgren said. “I think we all have a good handle on what he can do. I don’t know if this is going to be short-term or long-term with Brayden.”

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10-04-2011, 01:54 PM
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Schenn to AHL

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Went from being pissed after reading the thread title to pleasantly surprised. Holmgren never ceases to amaze with his seemingly idiotic moves followed up by intelligent ones.

That extra cap space will allow the team to hold onto Nodl.

I'm also assuming after Thursdays game lappy will be moved to LTIR and Schenn will be recalled?

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didn't see it in the other thread, sorry

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OK. Then it makes way more sense in that case.
It seems as though we also dodge many potential bonuses by doing this as well.

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Since I'm a CBA moron, can anyone tell me if these 3 still need to pass through waivers?

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Since I'm a CBA moron, can anyone tell me if these 3 still need to pass through waivers?
I believe they should be exempt. Maybe.

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I was scared to death when I read this at first, then I figured it must have had something to do with a roster limit or cap workaround. Thank God.
Your avatar is freaking great. I laughed my ass off for some reason when i saw it haha

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Harry Z, Gus and Schenn are all exempt from waivers.

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why not have him NOT play 25 minutes in game 1? wouldn't that achieve the same thing?

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I'm okay with it as long as we get Kadri in return.




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10-04-2011, 02:06 PM
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why not have him NOT play 25 minutes in game 1? wouldn't that achieve the same thing?
Because we'd theoretically be over the cap going into game 1.

That's a no-no.

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It's almost like Holmgren did something smart
That's what I was thinking. Homer actually used the rules to his advantage. Schenn at half of the cap hit changes A LOT. All of a sudden there will be some injury room. Maybe Couts actually stays if he plays well in his first 9.

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Damn I was predicting 62 points in the NHL for Schenn this year. I wanted to see this kid play. Oh well I guess I'll have to wait.
62 is a bit generous no? Anything above 40 would be good for this year tbh.

I didn't completely understand this though, first of all it seems like a stupid bonus to even sign, no way would it come true but that's how it works. The other thing though is that does he even need to be sent down? I doubt he plays in all 82 games at that ice time. I don't know how the cap works on a night to night basis but it's a bit of a weird situation that he doesn't get to make his debut on opening night with the Flyers cos of the cap, I'm not sure how much injury has to do with it at all.

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Because we'd theoretically be over the cap going into game 1.

That's a no-no.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if he is eligible for a bonus it needs to count against the cap. If he isn't, then it doesn't. So skipping 1 game (not on the roster at all) makes his cap hit halfish.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if he is eligible for a bonus it needs to count against the cap. If he isn't, then it doesn't. So skipping 1 game (not on the roster at all) makes his cap hit halfish.
Yes. Exactly.

However, the cap is set before game 1.

So if he's on the roster prior to game 1, he still has the opportunity to meet all bonuses, thus his cap hit is 3.11 going into game 1.

Schenn with a 3.11 cap hit in game 1 puts us over the operating cap for game 1 does it not?

Therefore Schenn cannot be on the roster for one game, after which he has a halved cap hit.

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Yes. Exactly.

However, the cap is set before game 1.

So if he's on the roster prior to game 1, he still has the opportunity to meet all bonuses, thus his cap hit is 3.11 going into game 1.

Schenn with a 3.11 cap hit in game 1 puts us over the operating cap for game 1 does it not?

Therefore Schenn cannot be on the roster for one game, after which he has a halved cap hit.

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