Betts was absolutely horrific last postseason. He took 135 faceoffs and won 39%. I know he had a messed up finger or whatever, but there's nothing he's going to bring that Talbot won't. He's an injury prone, aging 4th liner who's had a positive +/- once in his career. His penalty killing abilities have always been overblown and can be replaced. He was effin atrocious on the pk in the playoffs. Talbot, Giroux, and Nodl have all proven they can kill, then you have JVR, Couturier, Schenn, Simmonds, Read in the mix as well.
Faceoffs? Oh and im not showing the stats again. Already proved that Talbot's average faceoffs is around 7% less than Betts. Talbot averages 45% in the circle. Thats horrendous.
Simmonds has never killed penalities. Now that we dont have any of our 15th ranked pkers anymore, we might to use him. This is also combined with the insane amount of penalies we take every year (9th in NHL) and sadly Breezy being average on the PP... yea the pk this season might be a ****show.
Faceoffs? Oh and im not showing the stats again. Already proved that Talbot's average faceoffs is around 7% less than Betts. Talbot averages 45% in the circle. Thats horrendous.
Simmonds has never killed penalities. Now that we dont have any of our 15th ranked pkers anymore, we might to use him. This is also combined with the insane amount of penalies we take every year (9th in NHL) and sadly Breezy being average on the PP... yea the pk this season might be a ****show.
nodl, talbot, read, giroux, possibly simmonds, harry z, schenn couturier. Our pk is going to be far from a **** show, infact I guarantee that it will be better than 15th
yeah its gonna be cool seeing Shelley and Rinaldo getting suspended multiple times instead of having a good Pker around.
You should go google up some more argument fallacies to add to your arsenal. The argument had nothing to do about ANY OF THAT. It was "Is betts done?". And here you are trumping some random things that don't mean anything to that unless magically Betts being physically done is tied to Shelley and Rinaldo.
I know this is way off the thread but I would like to see the Flyers trade Schenn for a young stud defenseman. We have enough centers and I think Sean C will be a better all around player. Giroux and Couturier will carry us for years on the top lines and Briere and Talbot are signed for a few years. We need a young stud on the blueline.
nodl, talbot, read, giroux, possibly simmonds, harry z, schenn couturier. Our pk is going to be far from a **** show, infact I guarantee that it will be better than 15th
Harry Z was already sent down. Simmonds, like I said hasnt ever played on the pk, so he could be ****** for all we know. Schenn is in the AHL.
Honestly though, you think this season's will be better?
Last Season:
Betts
Powe
Richards
Giroux
Carter
Nodl
Compared to:
Talbot
Couturier
Read
Nodl
Giroux
Schenn/Simmonds
In response to Homer's comment (MSE's post). Rinaldo hasnt killed penalties his entire career. Simmonds hasnt really either I dont know what he's smoking sometimes.
Faceoffs? Oh and im not showing the stats again. Already proved that Talbot's average faceoffs is around 7% less than Betts. Talbot averages 45% in the circle. Thats horrendous.
Simmonds has never killed penalities. Now that we dont have any of our 15th ranked pkers anymore, we might to use him. This is also combined with the insane amount of penalies we take every year (9th in NHL) and sadly Breezy being average on the PP... yea the pk this season might be a ****show.
Highly unlikely. This is being completely overblown, to the point that it's becoming amusing.
Highly unlikely. This is being completely overblown, to the point that it's becoming amusing.
Stats are showing it has a higher probability of happening than not happening. Just saying. Unless you (or whoever) have something to disprove it. Homer just said he beleives Rinaldo can play on the pk.... Zac Rinaldo... its like having Carcillo on the pk.
Stats are showing it has a higher probability of happening than not happening. Just saying. Unless you (or whoever) have something to disprove it. Homer just said he beleives Rinaldo can play on the pk.... Zac Rinaldo... its like having Carcillo on the pk.
Rinaldo would be a stretch, but I don't see the PK taking a major hit.
Last year, Talbot won 1.7% less faceoffs than Betts in the regular season. In the playoffs, he won 7.6% more than Betts. In 2008-2009, Talbot won 1.8% more faceoffs than Betts in the regular season. They both aren't very good in the circle, and I would not be surprised at all if Talbot won more draws than Betts this year, assuming Betts finds a home.
Stats are showing it has a higher probability of happening than not happening. Just saying. Unless you (or whoever) have something to disprove it. Homer just said he beleives Rinaldo can play on the pk.... Zac Rinaldo... its like having Carcillo on the pk.
I think that comment is limited to Tim P.
Holmgren said... “I think a lot of Blair as a penalty killer and a good faceoff guy, he’s really an ideal fourth line guy,” Holmgren said.
“The fact that some of those young guys were utilized in killing penalties in preseason and some of the guys we acquired in the summer through free agency and trade can fill that role, too. Blair has been a big part of things over the last couple years here.”
Harry Z was already sent down. Simmonds, like I said hasnt ever played on the pk, so he could be ****** for all we know. Schenn is in the AHL.
Honestly though, you think this season's will be better?
Last Season:
Betts
Powe
Richards
Giroux
Carter
Nodl
Compared to:
Talbot
Couturier
Read
Nodl
Giroux
Schenn/Simmonds
In response to Homer's comment (MSE's post). Rinaldo hasnt killed penalties his entire career. Simmonds hasnt really either I dont know what he's smoking sometimes.
It is easy to see guys like rinaldo ans simmonds on the pk because they have speed, and grit. The number one asset to have as a pker is speed, so you can chase pucks and get in lanes. Talbot and read are going to surprise a lot of people on the pk.
No way Couturier plays 4th line. That would be a bad move IMO. Playing 8 minutes a game in a defensive role will not be good for him or the team. Send him back to Juniors if that's the case.
I can see it working if he's given occasional shifts on the Briere line when appropriately matched and Hartnell makes up for lost ice time taking shifts on the fourth line (taking Nodls ice time) with Talbot and Couturier w/ Hartnell's extra ice time also coming from Power Plays.
You probably want to tone down Hartnells even strength time anyway with his stupid penalties.
Last year, Talbot won 1.7% less faceoffs than Betts in the regular season. In the playoffs, he won 7.6% more than Betts. In 2008-2009, Talbot won 1.8% more faceoffs than Betts in the regular season. They both aren't very good in the circle, and I would not be surprised at all if Talbot won more draws than Betts this year, assuming Betts finds a home.
What happened to the 09/10 season.... and the 9.7% difference.
Stats are showing it has a higher probability of happening than not happening. Just saying. Unless you (or whoever) have something to disprove it. Homer just said he beleives Rinaldo can play on the pk.... Zac Rinaldo... its like having Carcillo on the pk.
I'm sure you probably thought it was a pipe dream a year or two ago that he would even have a shot to make the Flyers this year let alone be on the opening day roster. Speed and positioning are the key to Pking...he's got speed and positioning can be taught. You have no idea if they've been working with him in practice, showing film, whatever. Homer is a lot closer to the situation and knowing reality than we are behind our keyboards.
Holmgren said... “I think a lot of Blair as a penalty killer and a good faceoff guy, he’s really an ideal fourth line guy,” Holmgren said.
“The fact that some of those young guys were utilized in killing penalties in preseason and some of the guys we acquired in the summer through free agency and trade can fill that role, too. Blair has been a big part of things over the last couple years here.”
Ok well that makes me feel alittle better. Rinaldo hasnt ever played on the pk, and really isnt solid defensively. All Rinaldo has is forechecking and speed but that doesnt make a pker.
Ok well that makes me feel alittle better. Rinaldo hasnt ever played on the pk, and really isnt solid defensively. All Rinaldo has is forechecking and speed but that doesnt make a pker.
forechecking and speed is 3/4 of what you need to be a good pker, the other attribute being smart/having good awareness. Since we have a good coach I trust him to install a good system tailored to our pkers, and put them in the best position to succeed, and make good choices.
forechecking and speed is 3/4 of what you need to be a good pker, the other attribute being smart/having good awareness. Since we have a good coach I trust him to install a good system tailored to our pkers, and put them in the best position to succeed, and make good choices.
Positioning is also a HUGE part of pking. Yea forechecking and speed are important, but like I highlighted being smart/awareness is also important. I dont think anyone (other than a few of his fans) can say with a straight face that Rinaldo is a smart hockey player.
Positioning is also a HUGE part of pking. Yea forechecking and speed are important, but like I highlighted being smart/awareness is also important. I dont think anyone (other than a few of his fans) can say with a straight face that Rinaldo is a smart hockey player.
and I doubt rinaldo gets to see much pk time with talbot, nodl, read, giroux, schenn, and couturier, simmonds, and rinaldo could be rotated with harry z who gives us another option. People are also forgetting about holmstrom who is a center and a good pker who can also be called up. We have plenty of guys who can step in there
nodl, talbot, read, giroux, possibly simmonds, harry z, schenn couturier. Our pk is going to be far from a **** show, infact I guarantee that it will be better than 15th
Nodl averaged ~30 seconds last year. Talbot and Giroux are the only forwards who averaged over two minutes on the PK/took regular PK shifts (everyone else is under 10 seconds, so basically none). Who knows how we'll do, but we're going to be relying an awful lot on rookies to kill. Couple that with the fact that we were 5th in the league in shorthanded minutes last year and our propensity to take penalties...it could get ugly.
We've gotten rid of a lot of solid PKers over the last two years (Betts, Richards, Carter, Gagne, Knuble, Powe) and have replaced them with rookies and Talbot. Just a little disconcerting.
Also: it's interesting that we still haven't addressed the faceoff specialist/3rd line center issue. Schenn doesn't count (think Malhotra) and neither does Talbot because of his faceoff percentages, as people have pointed out. I'm pretty sure Holmgren has talked about getting one of these guys in the past, yet he still hasn't done it.
It is easy to see guys like rinaldo ans simmonds on the pk because they have speed, and grit. The number one asset to have as a pker is speed, so you can chase pucks and get in lanes. Talbot and read are going to surprise a lot of people on the pk.
Positional awareness trumps speed almost any time on the pk. The reason guys like Gagné, Richards and Lappy has been so effective on the pk during their careers, isn't because of their speed, but because they know where to be on the ice to cut off passing lanes and such before they need to go full speed ahead to get there.
Maybe Simmonds or even Rinaldo can become a good pker, but to bet on it before you see it is perhaps not the best thing to do if you're trying to build a team that will compete for the cup.
