HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Notices

More cap room = a new D-Man?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
10-05-2011, 08:05 AM
  #126
Bardof425*
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,028
vCash: 500
All this Thomas hating is ridiculous. Some guys have the scoring knack and that is uncommon. He has that. Let him grow and develop. Also, all this talk about his play away from the puck is arrogant and self serving. There's no way you've seen enough of him to judge that part of hs game. You can't watching tv. So calm down and let him develop IN OUR SYSTEM!

Bardof425* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 08:06 AM
  #127
NYR Viper
Moderator
 
NYR Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: PA
Country: United States
Posts: 27,304
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SupersonicMonkey View Post
I don't feel Thomas is that unique.

It doesn't have to be Gunnarsson, but a legit top 4 caliber defenseman. We need one, now. No one knows when Staal will return.

Erixon isn't ready. McIlrath is a couple years away. Valentenko, Kundratek, Parlett... none of them are ready.

Thomas wont be ready next year, or the year after that.

Kreider WILL be ready next year. Fasth could be ready as well. Miller the following year.

The Rangers can afford the one-two years for those guys.

Wait 3+ years for Thomas to be physically ready for the NHL, or they can turn that asset into a piece that can help them now and in the future.

For every Tyler Ennis there are hundreds of Dawes. Thomas' chances of being Ennis, let alone his dad are slim.

This team needs a top 4 caliber defenseman now.

Thomas packaged to a team not in contention, could possibly bring back an impact player.

I don't see how that would hurt us at all in the future.

Like I said, Kreider, Miller, and Fasth are not only better overall hockey players but they're also closer to NHL ready.
What is wrong with adding Thomas to your list?

Who says Fasth will even come over to NA?

I happen to agree with you that Kreider is ready now and should be more ready next season but what if he needs more seasoning? What if he gets hurt?

Miller was just drafted. I would highly doubt the Rangers rush him into the NHL as a 19 year old considering the state of the team (trying to win now). They will be patient, like they normally are.

Just because Thomas is weak now, doesnt he will be when he is 21. The kid is 19! Most 19 year old kids would look exactly the same if not worse playing against NHLers.

NYR Viper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 08:15 AM
  #128
SupersonicMonkey*
DROP THE PUCK
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 15,193
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bardof425 View Post
Boyle is a 4th liner!! Stop the madness.
A fourth liner that scored 20+ goals?

And will surely be given a lot of ice time. Much more then a fourth liner.

Boyle is a better hockey player then Wolski.

Wolski, who is on his third team in about as many years that was being considered for a buyout before camp started.

Madness?

SupersonicMonkey* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 09:17 AM
  #129
SupersonicMonkey*
DROP THE PUCK
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 15,193
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bardof425 View Post
All this Thomas hating is ridiculous. Some guys have the scoring knack and that is uncommon. He has that. Let him grow and develop. Also, all this talk about his play away from the puck is arrogant and self serving. There's no way you've seen enough of him to judge that part of hs game. You can't watching tv. So calm down and let him develop IN OUR SYSTEM!
Really, its arrogant and self serving?

All news highs of defending a player.

SupersonicMonkey* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 10:03 AM
  #130
MAYO
Registered User
 
MAYO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: MONTREAL
Country: Canada
Posts: 375
vCash: 500
2 words..... Cam Fowler!

MAYO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 10:07 AM
  #131
DrSutton*
Given Up
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2,093
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MAYO View Post
2 words..... Cam Fowler!
We already have a defensibly unreliable offense d-man on the roster...

DrSutton* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 10:14 AM
  #132
NYR Viper
Moderator
 
NYR Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: PA
Country: United States
Posts: 27,304
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MAYO View Post
2 words..... Cam Fowler!
The Rangers are looking to replace a defensive defenseman. You think Fowler would be a competent defensive defenseman? The Rangers have Erixon and MDZ who are still rounding out their defensive game already. You want to add another?

NYR Viper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 10:21 AM
  #133
MAYO
Registered User
 
MAYO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: MONTREAL
Country: Canada
Posts: 375
vCash: 500
i'm just saying I would like to add him and dump MDZ, not sure anything on the market can come close to replacing the void that Stall creates!

MAYO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 10:25 AM
  #134
hpNYR
HF Forecaster
 
hpNYR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Burbank, CA
Country: Armenia
Posts: 7,080
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrSutton View Post
We already have a defensibly unreliable offense d-man on the roster...
Except one knows how to play offensively and lives up to his tag.

hpNYR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 10:28 AM
  #135
DrSutton*
Given Up
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2,093
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hpNYR View Post
Except one knows how to play offensively and lives up to his tag.
Must have missed the many many years that Fowler has proven himself over....

1 good year = best player ever
1 bad year = worst player ever

HF board standard

DrSutton* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 10:32 AM
  #136
SupersonicMonkey*
DROP THE PUCK
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 15,193
vCash: 500
Fowler wouldn't be solving this issue, either.

If anything, im even more glad the pick was McIlrath. Someone who will be a shutdown physical defenseman. That's what we need.

SupersonicMonkey* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 10:32 AM
  #137
Clowes Line
Cally's Chicken Parm
 
Clowes Line's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New Yawk
Country: United States
Posts: 12,544
vCash: 500
Hp, that's what we were saying about Del Zotto after his rookie year. By your standards, DZ is offensively capable because as long asyou have a good rookie year, you're a star.

Clowes Line is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 10:34 AM
  #138
SupersonicMonkey*
DROP THE PUCK
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 15,193
vCash: 500
Del Zotto put up 37 points at the NHL level.

He has the ability to produce at this level.

But I don't want him getting minutes against top offensive players, either.

SupersonicMonkey* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 11:34 AM
  #139
Ola
Registered User
 
Ola's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Sweden
Country: Sweden
Posts: 16,709
vCash: 500
One problem I have with this situation is that -- yet again -- MDZ is thrown into a way to big of a role. It is NUTS to again basically put him in a nr 1 role on the blueline. The kid is what 20-21 y/o. Ease him in a little. Let him get comfortable first.

Ola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 12:08 PM
  #140
SupersonicMonkey*
DROP THE PUCK
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 15,193
vCash: 500
I agree, Ola. This isn't working out ideally, at all.

Del Zotto was going to be able to play 15 minutes a night, get a lot of Power Play time, decent 5v5 time, and let him ease in there and learn and develop.

Now he's going to be thrown out there in situations that will expose his weaknesses on a consistent basis.

Neither Del Zotto or Erixon...or Eminger... should ever have to face opposing top offensive players on a consistent basis.

We need to bring in a defenseman capable of playing a ton of minutes on the top pair.

SupersonicMonkey* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 12:57 PM
  #141
94now
Registered User
 
94now's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Snow Belt, USA
Country: United Nations
Posts: 6,412
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MorrisWanchuk View Post
which D is it then?

a) McCabe
b) Mara
c) Franson
d) AN Other
I would go with Redden. He is better than anyone out there.

94now is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 06:28 PM
  #142
vipernsx
Flatus Expeller
 
vipernsx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Country: United States
Posts: 6,114
vCash: 566
Torts brings in another one of his old players and digs up Paul Ranger. Slats works out a minor deal with Stevie-Y for his rights before he's uncovered, then signs him afterwards. After returning to the league he becomes a perennial allstar.

vipernsx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 06:32 PM
  #143
Chief
Registered User
 
Chief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: NY, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 1,671
vCash: 500
Making a deal for a player that can actually help, this late in the preseason, is virtually impossible. Not many teams have top 4 guys they can afford to get rid of. I don't know how bad Komisarek has been lately but he'd be the type of player you could probably acquire because the contract is on the high side and the Leafs seem to have too many D. Burke still wouldn't give him away and I don't think the Rangers want/can add his salary.

The Rangers probably knew they might be without Staal and that could be part of the reason for acquiring Erixon, who I believe Gord touted as a top 4 Dman in the NHL, when he was acquired. Had the Rangers thought they could afford a decent depth player, they probably would have done it over the summer. Don't expect the cavalry to be showing up anytime soon.

Chief is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 06:37 PM
  #144
Kershaw
 
Kershaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Country:
Posts: 25,519
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by SupersonicMonkey View Post
What kind of game does he play?

Is he smart/solid defensively?

To me any offense is gravy, i'm hoping for a real dependable top 4 caliber defenseman for both now and future.

Then we can use some pieces (not Kreider, Miller, or Fasth) to get an impact player at the deadline going into the playoffs.
Trotz put him in a role to succeed. Taking shifts against 3rd/4th liners and being spoonfed PP time. Don't see why everyone has the big boner over him. MDZ is a better player.

I would like a player like Alec Martinez or Voynov for Thomas if need be.

Kershaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 07:38 PM
  #145
DrSutton*
Given Up
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2,093
vCash: 500
Ok Carolina is starting the season with 9 D-men. NINE. You gotta think that Slats will put a call in over there when we get back from Europe. They owe us anyway...

DrSutton* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 07:44 PM
  #146
Wraparounds
Powerful Wizard
 
Wraparounds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 8,325
vCash: 500
I would be all about getting McBain from Carolina.

Wraparounds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 07:47 PM
  #147
DrSutton*
Given Up
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2,093
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wraparounds View Post
I would be all about getting McBain from Carolina.
Pretty much where I was going haha, and it's been discussed before on the trade thread.
Would be a great, young D-man who could step into our top 4 and grow with the team.

DrSutton* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 07:47 PM
  #148
NYR Viper
Moderator
 
NYR Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: PA
Country: United States
Posts: 27,304
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrSutton View Post
Ok Carolina is starting the season with 9 D-men. NINE. You gotta think that Slats will put a call in over there when we get back from Europe. They owe us anyway...
Why do they owe us one? I'm confused.....

They got Sanguinetti, who they waived and no one took, and the Rangers got a 2nd and a 6th(Fasth).

NYR Viper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 07:53 PM
  #149
SupersonicMonkey*
DROP THE PUCK
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 15,193
vCash: 500
Earlier today, about 4:30pm, it was reported on SiriusXM NHL radio that the Rangers are in talks with Paul Mara's agent.

SupersonicMonkey* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-05-2011, 07:55 PM
  #150
DrSutton*
Given Up
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2,093
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYR Boyler87 View Post
Why do they owe us one? I'm confused.....

They got Sanguinetti, who they waived and no one took, and the Rangers got a 2nd and a 6th(Fasth).
Uhhh, does that criminal ERIC Staal ring a bell!

DrSutton* is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:38 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.