how would you know if a player was on the ice in the last minute with the goalie pulled and his team gave up an empty net goal?
So, what would that heading be in the stats column OTIITLMWTGPAHTGUAENG?
To answer your question though, I would know by having seen the game or having read the box score. Otherwise, I really don't care. I don't know what you could possibly deduce by knowing how many OTIITLMWTGPAHTGUAENGs a guy has.
I enjoy good stats and stuff, but hockey won't be helped by turning it into baseball stat wise. There are too many moving parts and subjective things to measure to pull off the great stat analysis that you can find in baseball.
+/- is flawed in the sense that it is difficult to have a bad one on a good team, and it is easy to have a bad one on a bad team. however, for outliers on the teams it says a great deal... very good defensive players, for example, tend to be close to even at the very least on bad teams... and horrible defensive players won't have a great plus even if they are on a good team.
the stat shows outliers more than anything else.
i think spezza was tied for 2nd on ottawa in +/- despite being maybe their worst defender. so horrible defensive players can get good +/-.
+/- is very deceptive b/c it doesn't say who players are playing w/ or who they are playing against. 4th liners face other 4th liners, but if their team has good D, their +/- should be good. (i think this explains spezza) and +/- will be even more deceptive now that teams play division rivals 8 times.
Originally Posted by lemieux32
It doesn't seem like any of these suggestions solve the real problem: giving someone a plus or a minus when he is uninvolved or responsible in any way.
this is a problem too.
i think norrisnick's idea of man in box for PPg gets - is a good 1.
the best way to tell is to watch players.
hopefully, great +/- doesn't automatically get someone selke consideration. i was glad to see a real defensive forward like draper get the selke.
What about comparing the stats of the player's teammates on the ice at the time of a goal, with those same teammates GF/GA when not playing with the player in question. The motivation would be to try to figure out what effect the player has on the effectiveness of the 5-man (or 6-man) unit.
Also, you could weight the GF/GA stats relative to the effectiveness of the opposition. Holding another team's 4th liners scoreless is not as hard as holding their top line off the scoresheet.
That's what I'd do. But the real question is what would Brian Boitano do?