Brian Murray is an excellent drafter. He can really build up an organization and stockpile them with talent in the system. His downfall is that he's a terrible evaluator of NHL players and how they will fit into his team. He may bad signings and his trades aren't all that special. That's why he usually gets replaced once he builds a good core and a GM better at cobbling things together at the NHL level takes over to put the team over the top (Like Burke in Anaheim). Of course, those guys tend to leave the system bare of talent and they draft like drunken sailors trying to hit a dartboard but at least you get a Cup out of it or t least a strong playoff team for a couple years.
To me, Holland's biggest weakness is his refusal to trade roster players and his loyalty to players from the past at the expense of younger players development. Even his trading strategy revolved around waiting till the deadline to pillage the weak teams and give them draft picks for rentals. Now that the cap has caught up with him, he can no longer afford to trade picks for players which leaves him only available to trade roster players, which he refuses to do.
Gotta add Nabokov to the list, even if he's not Wings property tomorrow.
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From a GM, "Detroit is the best team we've played this year. It's not even close. Their puck control is incredible...You have to hope your goalie has a great night to give you a chance."
well the summer is long so lets say what he can do. Right now its like mentioned on the mainboard a solid ok. White got traded from Toronto, Flames and Sharks so there has to be something wrong with him.
since actions speak louder then words, its safe to say holland publicly stated he had no intention of addressing any of our areas of concern nor replacing rafalski long term.
holland has done exactly what he said he would do and nohting more.
since actions speak louder then words, its safe to say holland publicly stated he had no intention of addressing any of our areas of concern nor replacing rafalski long term.
holland has done exactly what he said he would do and nohting more.
Also, I noticed you have Rafalski's retirement on there. If you're including those then you're missing quite a few others...or are you only including the ones where the player retired while still under contract?
The Lang trade is debatable but there's no way even in hindsight that it could be deemed "bad".
The Quincey and Matthias situations are too early to be labeled yet.
The Lang trade is not debatable. Fleischmann is pretty much established as a solid second-line scorer, and Green is a good offensive defenseman who is a huge liability in his own end. That's what Holland traded for the league's leading scorer; it was the first time the league's leading scorer had been traded so late in the year.
Sure, Fleischmann and Green would be nice to have now. But where would Fleischmann be playing? Third line? He'd have been competing with Hudler, Filppula, and Kopecky for ice time (they were the Nyquist, Jurco, Pulkinnen, and Tatar of their day) and as such he might have been traded in another deal or ended up sitting on the third line like Hudler has. Kopecky had to leave town to get top-six time, and Flip only started getting it regularly last year.
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Done a super job(with some great help). However, no one is perfect:
1) Hate losing guys on waivers for nothing-to this day I still find it HARD to believe that Holland could not have dealt Ozzie for a least a couple of mid round picks. If I recall correctly, there were at least 5 00/01 non playoff teams that had a GAA of over three. Surely one of them could have used a Cup winning tender. If Holland (and Babcock) hadn't insisted on carrying an 8th dman(Chelios), Quincey would still be on the team.
2) Not a great fan of trade deadline deals either-see the four deals in '99. Lang did squat for the Wings and he cost us a first rounder(which could have been Green). Since I wanted the Wings to sign Stuart as a free agent, had no problem with that move and loved him staying with the team.
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Well, you really can't include Mike Green in that, that's a fluke. But it was a bad deal even without Green.
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Yeah can you imagine the Wings with Mike Green! , I'm in agreement.
Osgood was offered around the league; teams that were interested (like the Isles) weren't going to give up assets when they knew the Wings had to waive one of Hasek, Ozzie, or Legace. The waiver order generally favored teams that had poor goaltenders (bad teams) so making a trade was difficult.
Lang provided the Wings the scoring presence they didn't have when they cut Fedorov loose. Green probably wouldn't have even been the pick.
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Ian White plays over 22 minutes a night in Toronto. Would he be playing that much for the Wings?
Hmm....
I think Ian White could play close to that much in Detroit. We should find out this year.
Updated. Started adding in some player retirements as well. If you can think of any guys who retired as Wings let me know and I'll see about adding them as well.
Updated. Started adding in some player retirements as well. If you can think of any guys who retired as Wings let me know and I'll see about adding them as well.
Larry Murphy, Steve Yzerman, Brian Rafalski, Kirk Maltby, Kris Draper, Tomas Holmstrom, Nicklas Lidstrom, Jiri Fischer, Steve Duchesne, Dominik Hasek (2002, 2004, and 2008). Possibly Ty Conklin.
Larry Murphy, Steve Yzerman, Brian Rafalski, Kirk Maltby, Kris Draper, Tomas Holmstrom, Nicklas Lidstrom, Jiri Fischer, Steve Duchesne, Dominik Hasek (2002, 2004, and 2008). Possibly Ty Conklin.
