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10-06-2011, 10:31 PM
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Ways to keep both Schenn and Couturier all year long?

Regarding cap hit. What's the best way to accomplish this?

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10-06-2011, 10:38 PM
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not very strong with cap knowledge, too lazy to look into but what about waiving shelley, putting lappy on LTIR

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10-06-2011, 10:56 PM
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The whole cap thing gives me a headache ! Homer will do whats best for the team until the league tells him he can't...Then he will adjust and keep at it....Its a crazy method but it seems to work its way out in the long run which is all i am concerned about....

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10-06-2011, 11:05 PM
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Someone take Shelley outback and put him out of our misery.

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They can send Walker down, LTIR Lappy, and he'll have room WITH Shelley on the roster (which to everyone's dismay, will happen this season).

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10-07-2011, 12:57 AM
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I posted this in the game time thread but will add it here too.

Lappy's cap hit - $1,166,667
Rinaldo's cap hit - $544,444
current cap space - $65,795

LTIR'ing Lappy, sending Zac down and adding those numbers to our current cap space equals $1,776,906

That's enough to bring up Schenn.


Shelly is then our 13th forward and walker is our 7th dman (22-man roster).

As an alternative to sending down Zac, we could change him to any other player on the current roster EXCEPT Pronger and Lilja as they are 35+ contracts and would still have almost all of their cap hit count.

We could send down Walker and have enough to call up both Schenn and Gustafsson while keeping Zac and having a 23-man roster (14 forwards, 7 dmen and 2 goalies).

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10-07-2011, 01:22 AM
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As an alternative to sending down Zac, we could change him to any other player on the current roster EXCEPT Pronger and Lilja as they are 35+ contracts and would still have almost all of their cap hit count.
We could actually send Lilja down this year, apparently it only applies to the secondary and on years of the contract.

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What line does it look like Schenn will be playing on?

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What line does it look like Schenn will be playing on?
3rd.

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We could actually send Lilja down this year, apparently it only applies to the secondary and on years of the contract.
That sounds ... um, fishy. What's your source on this?

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As others have said step one is putting Lappy on LTIR. Step two is move either Shelley, Zac or Walker (or any combo of the three). If Walker is healthy though I think he should be on the team. Everyone knows about Paul's man crush on Shelley so he's going nowhere. That leaves Zac in my eyes but still that leaves little wiggle room in terms of cap.

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10-07-2011, 01:03 PM
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As others have said step one is putting Lappy on LTIR. Step two is move either Shelley, Zac or Walker (or any combo of the three). If Walker is healthy though I think he should be on the team. Everyone knows about Paul's man crush on Shelley so he's going nowhere. That leaves Zac in my eyes but still that leaves little wiggle room in terms of cap.

Personally, I think that it WILL be Zac that is sent down. If we get any injuries or illnesses that are not long term and that would make it so we couldn't ice a full 20-man team THEN we could always waive Walker and have enough money to recall a replacement on defense for him (Gustafsson) and a forward (say Zac).

At this point, once Schenn is "ready" to be recalled, our team will consist of the following:

Forwards - Briere, Hartnell, Giroux, Jagr, Voracek, Talbot, Sommonds, Schenn, JVR, Couturier, Shelly, Read & Nodl

Defense - Timonen, Pronger, Meszaros, Carle, Coburn, Walker & Lilja

Goalies - Brygalov & Bobrovsky

Counting the carryover from last year that should leave us about 15k in free cap space.

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10-07-2011, 01:17 PM
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I would just waive Shelley around Game 10 and bring Walker up. Rinaldo as 13th forward.

JVR-Giroux-Jagr
Simmonds-Briere-Voracek
Hartnell-Couturier-Read
Talbot-Schenn-Nodl
Rinaldo

Timonen-Meszaros
Pronger-Carle
Coburn-Walker
Lilja

Bryz
Bob

I believe that is around $62.065 million, so around $890K in space. That is a good amount going forward, because we are likely to add a 2nd/3rd line forward or #4-5 defenseman toward the trade deadline, assuming we are in the playoff hunt. I might be getting the LTIR numbers/protocol on Lappy wrong, however. Basically, get Lappy and Shelley off our cap and Schenn on the team in some capacity around game 9 or game 10. Then see what we have and try to get the chemistry right, make changes later if necessary. Shelley will not add anything.

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I would just waive Shelley around Game 10 and bring Walker up. Rinaldo as 13th forward.

JVR-Giroux-Jagr
Simmonds-Briere-Voracek
Hartnell-Couturier-Read
Talbot-Schenn-Nodl
Rinaldo

Timonen-Meszaros
Pronger-Carle
Coburn-Walker
Lilja

Bryz
Bob

I believe that is around $62.065 million, so around $890K in space. That is a good amount going forward, because we are likely to add a 2nd/3rd line forward or #4-5 defenseman toward the trade deadline, assuming we are in the playoff hunt. I might be getting the LTIR numbers/protocol on Lappy wrong, however. Basically, get Lappy and Shelley off our cap and Schenn on the team in some capacity around game 9 or game 10. Then see what we have and try to get the chemistry right, make changes later if necessary. Shelley will not add anything.
I think waiving Shelley would probably fix any cap problems or restrictions we may have right now. But I think Couturier and Schenn would actually be together on the 3rd line while Read would center the 4th.

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We could send down Walker and have enough to call up both Schenn and Gustafsson while keeping Zac and having a 23-man roster (14 forwards, 7 dmen and 2 goalies).

This is what i want to see happen along with shelley sent packing........

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I think waiving Shelley would probably fix any cap problems or restrictions we may have right now. But I think Couturier and Schenn would actually be together on the 3rd line while Read would center the 4th.
Couturier at LW or RW? And I don't know. I would like Read to play with someone somewhat offensively-minded, since I want him to develop his scoring touch at the NHL level. I don't think Talbot and Nodl will speed that along.

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A lot of people are going to be disappointed if Shelley isn't waived.

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A lot of people are going to be disappointed if Shelley isn't waived.
which I cannot see them doing, although it really solves everything.

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I would just waive Shelley around Game 10 and bring Walker up. Rinaldo as 13th forward.
Walker is already up with the team

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That sounds ... um, fishy. What's your source on this?
The hater's themselves, BSH:

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...slot-locked-up

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They are misinterpreting what the CBA is saying there.

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Jagr-Giroux-Voracek (czech/roo line...)
JvR- Couturier- Simmonds (HUGE line, JVR/Simmonds have a lot of chemistry)
Hartnell - Schenn - Briere (3rd line!? are you f-cking kidding me!?)
....
....

EVERYTHING ELSE


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Jagr-Giroux-Voracek (czech/roo line...)
JvR- Couturier- Simmonds (HUGE line, JVR/Simmonds have a lot of chemistry)
Hartnell - Schenn - Briere (3rd line!? are you f-cking kidding me!?)
....
....

EVERYTHING ELSE

So two Czech's and a Wizard walk into a bar...

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They are misinterpreting what the CBA is saying there.

Just asking a question, how are they "misinterpreting" what the CBA is saying??? It's written EXACTLY as they stated. It's been discussed on here and in other media sources that this "effect" of the 35+ contracts only applies for the 2nd year and beyond.


I'll let you in on a little secret as to why they SPECIFICALLY worded the CBA in this way and DID intentionally intend to permit the first year of a 35+ contract to NOT apply to this "costing against the cap regardless" effect. It happened just this year. Long time Dallas Star forward Mike Madono did a "sign and retire" with the Stars this year for the sole reason that he could "retire" a Dallas Star. His "contract" IS/WAS a 35+ contract and if not for this first year "exempt" clause his contract would count against the Stars cap limit this year even though he was retiring and never intended to play this year. Read though the current CBA. He HAD to sign a legal SPC which carries a league minimum salary of (IIRC) 500k. If that little "exemption" did not exist in the CBA, his 500k would have to count against the Stars cap limit this year even though he retired. This "first year exemption" to the 35+ contract rule was put into place with the intent for teams to be able to retire a player and not hurt themselves with the cap. If you sign a player to a 2 year deal then obviously it's not a "sign and retire" intention and that's why it starts at year 2.

While this "exemption" was not intended to be used to bury someone like Lilja in the minors his first year, there is NOTHING in the CBA that prohibits using it.

Whether anyone believes this is a little "shaddy" or a circumvention of the intent of the CBA or not it simply doesn't matter. The CBA is a legally binding contract and the specific wording within said binding contract does permit for Lilja to be sent down in year 1 of the contract and NOT have it count against the cap for the Flyers. The league can ***** and complain all they want but it's a loophole they left open and one that CAN be exploited in this way.

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They are misinterpreting what the CBA is saying there.
The Devils did that as well with Malakhov and Mogilny during the 05/06 season. Both had 35+ contracts, both were waived and assigned to the minors and both didn't count towards the upper limit.

The following season that wasn't possible, Mogilny was put on LTIR and Malakhov was traded to San Jose with a 1st round pick.

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