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10-08-2011, 02:35 PM
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Word on the street is that Oswalt wants to play further south to be closer to his family after the tornadoes.

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As much as i would like to blame Lee or Howard, it was a team loss. Oswalt didn't pitch the best of games either. Pence more or less disappeared as well.
I agree that few on the team did their job, but this team was built around pitching. One of your aces blowing a 4 run lead is a back breaker.

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they werent a fluke, they had timely hit's to go along with great pitching. That's how you win in the playoffs.
It's a fluke when it's the only time they've made the playoffs. I wouldn't want a team constructed just like theirs.

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10-08-2011, 03:07 PM
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It's a fluke when it's the only time they've made the playoffs. I wouldn't want a team constructed just like theirs.
I dont care, a championship is a championship. The Phillies are starting to look alot like that team now, alot of aging veterans with great pitching.

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I dont care, a championship is a championship. The Phillies are starting to look alot like that team now, alot of aging veterans with great pitching.
I know and that's not a good thing. They need to do something about their offense.

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I know and that's not a good thing. They need to do something about their offense.
That's why I have came to the conclusion after last night that I would be fine with them blowing it up. They arent going to really to be able to make an moves for a free agent bat while Utley, Howard and Polanco are declining. Keep Hamels, Brown, Worley, and Mayberry and try to trade everyone else. They will never do this though.

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10-08-2011, 03:57 PM
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That's why I have came to the conclusion after last night that I would be fine with them blowing it up. They arent going to really to be able to make an moves for a free agent bat while Utley, Howard and Polanco are declining. Keep Hamels, Brown, Worley, and Mayberry and try to trade everyone else. They will never do this though.
I think the only positions we NEED to replace is LF, short stop if rollins bounces and possibly 3rd base. We obviously already have the answer for LF.

I think after surgery polanco will be back to batting .300 which he's done his whole career, and honestly we need that. If Victorino, Pence and Polanco can all hover around 300, we wouldn't be living and dying by the home run ball anymore.

halladay, lee, hamels, worley is still the best rotation in baseball. And if rollins, blanton, lidge, madson and ibanez are no longer around, we may have some money to sign a pretty solid 5th starter.

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I think the only positions we NEED to replace is LF, short stop if rollins bounces and possibly 3rd base. We obviously already have the answer for LF.

I think after surgery polanco will be back to batting .300 which he's done his whole career, and honestly we need that. If Victorino, Pence and Polanco can all hover around 300, we wouldn't be living and dying by the home run ball anymore.

halladay, lee, hamels, worley is still the best rotation in baseball. And if rollins, blanton, lidge, madson and ibanez are no longer around, we may have some money to sign a pretty solid 5th starter.
I guess you don't want Blanton or Kendrick as our 5th?

I'm actually WAY more concerned about our bullpin. With Lidge and Madson gone, who stays/do we get? I'd say we should also somehow tank Herndon somewhere. Keep Bastardo and De Fratus up. I'd say have Blanton as our 5th and Kendrick as our long reliever. But we definitely need some bullpin guys...

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I think the only positions we NEED to replace is LF, short stop if rollins bounces and possibly 3rd base. We obviously already have the answer for LF.

I think after surgery polanco will be back to batting .300 which he's done his whole career, and honestly we need that. If Victorino, Pence and Polanco can all hover around 300, we wouldn't be living and dying by the home run ball anymore.

halladay, lee, hamels, worley is still the best rotation in baseball. And if rollins, blanton, lidge, madson and ibanez are no longer around, we may have some money to sign a pretty solid 5th starter.
good post, I just would like to see Charlie's approach change to make them grind out Ab's which no one on this team really does other that Utley and Chooch. I just want a youth movement.

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good post, I just would like to see Charlie's approach change to make them grind out Ab's which no one on this team really does other that Utley and Chooch. I just want a youth movement.
I agree. What pissed me yesterday(other than the loss), was after utley got hit by the pitch, Pence and Howard both get out on 2 pitches! The man threw 5 pitches to utley, all of which were balls if he didn't swing, and then a pitch that hit him.

So instead of making him have to correct his pitches, they swing and ground out/line out, on two back to back pitches.

That's something that shouldn't be happening.

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So it would probably look like this:

--------------Victorino--------------
Brown------------------------Pence

----------xxxxx------Utley---------
Polanco-----------------------Howard/xxxxx
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-------------Ruiz/Schneider

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I agree. What pissed me yesterday(other than the loss), was after utley got hit by the pitch, Pence and Howard both get out on 2 pitches! The man threw 5 pitches to utley, all of which were balls if he didn't swing, and then a pitch that hit him.

So instead of making him have to correct his pitches, they swing and ground out/line out, on two back to back pitches.

That's something that shouldn't be happening.
I was almost as livid at that as I was with Howard swinging 3-0 at ball 4 with no one out. And all this goes back to Manuel allowing them to play for the HR when they arent a HR team anymore.

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So it would probably look like this:

--------------Victorino--------------
Brown------------------------Pence

----------xxxxx------Utley---------
Polanco-----------------------Howard/xxxxx
---------------Pitching

-------------Ruiz/Schneider
Replace Mayberry for brown, please.

Valdez/Martinez will be at short with victorino becoming the leadoff hitter.

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Replace Mayberry for brown, please.

Valdez/Martinez will be at short with victorino becoming the leadoff hitter.
Victorino
Polanco
Utley
Howard/xxxxx
Pence
Mayberry/Brown
Valdez/Martinez
Ruiz
Pitching

Something like that then?

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Victorino
Polanco
Utley
Howard/xxxxx
Pence
Mayberry/Brown
Valdez/Martinez
Ruiz
Pitching

Something like that then?
We aren't winning **** with Martinez and Valdez platooning at SS.

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Victorino
Polanco
Utley
Howard/xxxxx
Pence
Mayberry/Brown
Valdez/Martinez
Ruiz
Pitching

Something like that then?
How is that going to solve our problem again? That lineup is worse than the current one that couldn't get it done.

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I truly think Rollins will be back. And if not, well, Oswalt, Ibanez, Lidge, Madson and Rollins leaving leaves enough money to possibly throw at Reyes or another upper echelon short stop.

In all honesty, though, i like Valdez. Not sure how he would do for a whole year, but i think he's a solid player.

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Lidge, Oswalt, and Ibanez clear up nearly $40 by themselves. That's pretty exciting.

Is Blanton's contract up yet?

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Lidge, Oswalt, and Ibanez clear up nearly $40 by themselves. That's pretty exciting.

Is Blanton's contract up yet?
Believe that's a negative.

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Mayberry is likely gonna play 1st while Howard is recuperating from his achilles, if the rumors are true. I hope they don't go out and sign Jose Reyes.

If Rollins indeed bounces, I could see the Phils looking to Marco Scutaro for a year or two as a fill-in until Galvis is ready. Josh Willingham, Ryan Ludwick, Juan Rivera, and maybe even Ibanez could be guys the Phils would look to bring in for LF to start or split time with Dom.

Outside of first base and a couple pitchers, pretty average looking market. I'd be good with bringing Oswalt back. If they went out and got a guy like CJ Wilson (which they probably won't) that would be awesome. I'd also like to look at Aaron Harang, Chris Young, Joel Pineiro or Edwin Jackson as possible guys to bring in for #4 or 5 jobs, depending on how you slate Worley.

Michael Wuertz, Jason Frasor, Javier Lopez, Mike Gonzalez, Chad Qualls and Jamey Wright would be a couple of good relief pitching options as well. Obviously, resigning Madson is first priority.

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How is that going to solve our problem again? That lineup is worse than the current one that couldn't get it done.
I'm not saying it solves anything, but I'm showing what we do have.

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Mayberry is likely gonna play 1st while Howard is recuperating from his achilles, if the rumors are true. I hope they don't go out and sign Jose Reyes.

If Rollins indeed bounces, I could see the Phils looking to Marco Scutaro for a year or two as a fill-in until Galvis is ready. Josh Willingham, Ryan Ludwick, Juan Rivera, and maybe even Ibanez could be guys the Phils would look to bring in for LF to start or split time with Dom.

Outside of first base and a couple pitchers, pretty average looking market. I'd be good with bringing Oswalt back. If they went out and got a guy like CJ Wilson (which they probably won't) that would be awesome. I'd also like to look at Aaron Harang, Chris Young, Joel Pineiro or Edwin Jackson as possible guys to bring in for #4 or 5 jobs, depending on how you slate Worley.

Michael Wuertz, Jason Frasor, Javier Lopez, Mike Gonzalez, Chad Qualls and Jamey Wright would be a couple of good relief pitching options as well. Obviously, resigning Madson is first priority.
Would Saito and Bell be too much?

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If Jimmy does sign with another team, at least we can get the compensatory draft picks. Just gotta hope he signs with a ****** team.

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Lidge, Oswalt, and Ibanez clear up nearly $40 by themselves. That's pretty exciting.

Is Blanton's contract up yet?
Lee goes up from $11M to $21.5.

Howard's contract kicks in. (However if he IS out a significant amount of time the Insurance companies will pay his contract IIRC)

Hamels needs to get paid.

Madson needs to be paid, if he is to return.

That $40M disappears real fast.

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Lee goes up from $11M to $21.5.

Howard's contract kicks in. (However if he IS out a significant amount of time the Insurance companies will pay his contract IIRC)

Hamels needs to get paid.

Madson needs to be paid, if he is to return.

That $40M disappears real fast.
Hamels is signed for next year isn't he?

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Hamels is signed for next year isn't he?
No. But he is still Phillies property. Arbitration Eligible again I believe.

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No. But he is still Phillies property. Arbitration Eligible again I believe.
They better sign him then. No reason not to. He should be first on the list to sign.

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