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10-09-2011, 06:51 PM
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it is afterall mandatory to have a player with Rinaldo's "skillset" on the roster. violation of said rule would cause Flyer fans to riot.
This is the sad truth. Too many Flyers fans believe meat heads actually bring something to the table.


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when he is on the ice he cannot make anything happen other than "playing good positionally in the d zone", good thing he has that skill set because that is always where he is.
Keeping the puck out of the net in your own end is pretty important you know. What does Rinaldo do besides hit people? How does he help this team win hockey games?

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10-09-2011, 06:55 PM
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This is the sad truth. Too many Flyers fans believe meat heads actually bring something to the table.




Keeping the puck out of the net in your own end is pretty important you know. What does Rinaldo do besides hit people? How does he help this team win hockey games?
he helps the fourth line be effective with his speed and forecheck, they look great and they are cycling the puck well, creating a few chances around the net.

Betts will KILL this, he cannot do any of that, his speed and injuries limit his effectiveness as a 4th line player. When he is on the ice prepared to be trapped in your own end because he cannot make anything happen. Then his defensive play gets lauded because he is in good position while being stuck in the zone for his entire shift.

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10-09-2011, 06:58 PM
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he helps the fourth line be effective with his speed and forecheck, they look great and they are cycling the puck well, creating a few chances around the net.

Betts will KILL this, he cannot do any of that, his speed and injuries limit his effectiveness as a 4th line player. When he is on the ice prepared to be trapped in your own end because he cannot make anything happen. Then his defensive play gets lauded because he is in good position while being stuck in the zone for his entire shift.
As has already been mentioned, Betts is actually really good at starting breakouts from his own end. That's the opposite of being trapped.

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he helps the fourth line be effective with his speed and forecheck, they look great and they are cycling the puck well, creating a few chances around the net.

Betts will KILL this, he cannot do any of that, his speed and injuries limit his effectiveness as a 4th line player. When he is on the ice prepared to be trapped in your own end because he cannot make anything happen. Then his defensive play gets lauded because he is in good position while being stuck in the zone for his entire shift.
Uh, we've already had a 4th line like that with Betts. You're conveniently forgetting that. You have no real argument to keep Rinaldo in the lineup over Betts.

Betts did a good job pushing the play forward despite the fact that most of his starts were in the D zone. Anyway the point is moot because Rinaldo is coming out of the lineup as soon as Schenn is recalled.

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10-09-2011, 06:59 PM
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Uh, we've already had a 4th line like that with Betts. You're conveniently forgetting that. You have no real argument to keep Rinaldo in the lineup over Betts. Anyway the point is moot because Rinaldo is coming out of the lineup as soon as Schenn is recalled.
I hope so.

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10-09-2011, 07:02 PM
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Uh, we've already had a 4th line like that with Betts. You're conveniently forgetting that. You have no real argument to keep Rinaldo in the lineup over Betts.

Betts did a good job pushing the play forward despite the fact that most of his starts were in the D zone. Anyway the point is moot because Rinaldo is coming out of the lineup as soon as Schenn is recalled.
betts maybe did a good job of dumping the puck in for a line change after spending the whole shift in the d zone.

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I hope so.
Same, and I actually like Rinaldo.

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I hope so.
I don't think Laviolette will want to lose any other penalty killers and sadly he also has to deal with the $1.1M albatross. If anything we'll be going crazy when he scratches Nodl in favor of Shelley at times.

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anyway I am done debating over a dime a dozen fourth line scrub who's play has fallen off, and obviously coaching and management decided he wasnt the best option by trying to get rid of him.

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betts maybe did a good job of dumping the puck in for a line change after spending the whole shift in the d zone.
Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

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10-09-2011, 07:06 PM
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As true as this is Betts isn't worth it anymore. Zac isn't a skill player but he can still bring some speed and forechecking on the 4th line. Betts can't even do that anymore. His defense has all but evaporated. He just takes up a pointless contract in the organization which is better served having Couts take his spot and have double the offense.
The numbers all say that Betts is a very valuable 4th line player, who got so many tough minutes last year, which means your other three centers were getting not-so-tough minutes. Almost half of his ice time last year was penalty killing. If you want to replace him with a like-minded player, then fine, preferably one that is decent on faceoffs (Kyle Brodziak is a player I've been after for years). Rinaldo isn't winning any faceoffs, and we have plenty of players who know how to skate fast and hit people. In fact, I'd rather play Walker as a 7th defenseman, who would fight most of the same guys Rinaldo would be fighting. The Flyers had the entire summer to decide whether or not Betts was toast, and they left him on the roster knowing they were up against the contract limit and the salary cap, so not even the Flyers honestly feel that Betts is a 'pointless contract.'

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This is the sad truth. Too many Flyers fans believe meat heads actually bring something to the table.




Keeping the puck out of the net in your own end is pretty important you know. What does Rinaldo do besides hit people? How does he help this team win hockey games?
This. I might still see the game a bit too much as a defensive d-man at times, but it's a bit amazing how much this is overlooked by so many fans.

Anyway, I'm off to bed, but I'd just like to point out again that I don't feel like Betts is that great of a player or anything, and if we could find ourselves some players who bring more to the offensive aspects of the game, then I'm all for it, but to go into the season with so many uncertainties just seemed wrong (again, unless he really is beyond salvage injury-wise).

It's a shame that his Flyer career appears to end in a direct opposite to the way it started, he came on showing that he still could play despite his injuries. At least he had two pretty strong seasons, where he sacrificed his body blocking I don't know how many shots.

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Well...

1) He was injured, we didn't know about it, and the Habs found out about it when he was claimed by them off waivers/subsequently given a physical.

2) He was injured, we knew about it despite him playing/practicing, and we tried to pull a fast one on the Habs.

3) He wasn't really injured with us, he got hurt with the Habs, and now they're trying to cut their losses by screwing us over.


1 and 3 seem like the most obvious possible scenarios here.
IMO, we knew about his injury, but we waived him to try to send him down (nobody would've known about his injury if it worked), but since Mtl claimed him, it didn't work. So now we're still stucked with his salary.

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Man all the posters on here talking how good betts is im getting a headache homer siad he was not going to be on the team even if he cleared so what they do with him i dont know but he will not be here for long.......

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IMO, we knew about his injury, but we waived him to try to send him down (nobody would've known about his injury if it worked), but since Mtl claimed him, it didn't work. So now we're still stucked with his salary.
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Man all the posters on here talking how good betts is im getting a headache homer siad he was not going to be on the team even if he cleared so what they do with him i dont know but he will not be here for long.......
this... betts is gone.

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10-09-2011, 08:09 PM
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IMO, we knew about his injury, but we waived him to try to send him down (nobody would've known about his injury if it worked), but since Mtl claimed him, it didn't work. So now we're still stucked with his salary.
The Flyers didn't want to send him down. They wanted him to be claimed so they could lose a contract. If the Flyers knew he was injured Betts could have filed a grievance over them waiving him.



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this... betts is gone.
So is Rinaldo.

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10-09-2011, 08:12 PM
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The Flyers didn't want to send him down. They wanted him to be claimed so they could lose a contract. If the Flyers knew he was injured Betts could have filed a grievance over them waiving him.





So is Rinaldo.
rinaldo will play quite a few more games for the flyers and will be part of the org.

betts will not, because he adds nothing to the team. bye betts

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Rinaldo is pretty bad at hockey, so I doubt that.

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Rinaldo has the lowest TOI on the team, and he's the only player with zero special teams time. Yeah...great asset there.

he has the lowest average time on ice and the fewest number of average shifts per game, and it isn't close.

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Rinaldo has the lowest TOI on the team, and he's the only player with zero special teams time. Yeah...great asset there.

he has the lowest average time on ice and the fewest number of average shifts per game, and it isn't close.
its not him as an individial per say, it is how that fourth line looks. They have played really well, why are some people trying to take that away...Rinaldo is part of that.

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10-09-2011, 08:23 PM
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Regardless of hockey skill, Rinaldo is better equipped for the fast type of team Lavi is trying to create.

Betts and Shelley will probably never see the ice again (nor will Rinaldo once Schenn comes up)

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Regardless of hockey skill, Rinaldo is better equipped for the fast type of team Lavi is trying to create.

Betts and Shelley will probably never see the ice again
exactly betts cant keep up the pace.

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You act like the man has been playing in a wheelchair.

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You act like the man has been playing in a wheelchair.
Maybe Betts is like the blades of a helicopter. He moves so fast that he actually looks really slow.

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