HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The Rink
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
The Rink For the not so ready for prime-time players, coaches, referees, and the people that have to live with them. Discuss experiences in local leagues, coaching tips, equipment, and training.

stick length - yes its been discussed

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
10-07-2011, 01:11 AM
  #1
r3cc0s
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 412
vCash: 500
stick length - yes its been discussed

Everyone's principles seems to be different... and I too have came to my conclusion

I think it completely varies based on the lie of the stick, and that the rule between the "chin & nose" w/o skates, or chin and neck area when on skates is completely wrong.

I have had a few sticks through the years, and being a defencemen had always thought that a longer stick is better for poke checking etc...

but since, working at my skating... I've found I stay much lower, keeping my legs constantly bent, generate much more and consistant power, but to my dismay... chickenwings my top hand arm because now the stick is too long.

After talking with a couple power skating coaches, I think this is the best rule of thumb... well especially if you skate correctly:

stand straight on your skates, and hold your stick with the top hand where the blade is flat on the ice with your arm straight down.
At the end of your hand is the point to cut it.

I thought, wow this is crazy... as I had a stick with a relatively upright lie and I literially cut 5" inches from what I had already chopped off.

But low and behold, my stickhandling, puck recieving and shot was tremendously improved.... well snap shots require more load, but at the end of the day... I'm playing much better. In all actuality, because my legs are almost consantly bent, I have a much more stable base to take my snap, wrist and even slappers while providing a even better weight shift. It just takes more energy, but the more you do it, the stronger you get.

the crazy thing is, the stick if it with toe down, now only comes up to about the middle of my chest!

Yes its shorter for poke checking, but if you're an active skater... you can easily compensate 5" of stick

Or you get a stick with a flatter lie, which will still keep the blade on the ice while giving you more lenght

r3cc0s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-07-2011, 01:26 AM
  #2
duul
Registered User
 
duul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,904
vCash: 169
Yup, I play with a lie 5 and it's cut down to around the middle of my chest also.

duul is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
10-07-2011, 08:01 AM
  #3
vyktor
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 846
vCash: 500
I read on here once to look at how the tape wears on the bottom of the blade, if it wears at the toe it is too short, at the heel too long. I ended up cutting about 5 inches of my stick over a period of a year, and it has worked out very well.

vyktor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-07-2011, 10:34 AM
  #4
Jarick
Moderator
Doing Nothing
 
Jarick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St Paul, MN
Country: United States
Posts: 24,421
vCash: 500
Bah, I inadvertently wrote a novel. I agree with the OP for the most part. Way too many guys use sticks that are too long and too stiff. Cut them 1-2" below the chin for MAXIMUM puck control, unless you need the reach, and you will also need a whippier stick.

Or you can read my novel here: http://wildabouthockey.blogspot.com/...-flex-lie.html


Last edited by Jarick: 10-07-2011 at 10:45 AM.
Jarick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-07-2011, 11:46 AM
  #5
Malreg
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 210
vCash: 500
I've always played with a stick that comes up to my bottom lip while on skates, and for me it's just perfect.

Malreg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-07-2011, 12:07 PM
  #6
hyster110
Registered User
 
hyster110's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 963
vCash: 500
people should also factor in their type of play and what position they play

hyster110 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-07-2011, 12:32 PM
  #7
Stickmata
Registered User
 
Stickmata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,489
vCash: 500
Interesting. One of my teammates who is an ex-college player has long advocated cutting sticks way down. I play with mine at chin length on my skates and I like the reach I have with it, but I do find it harder to handle the puck in tight situations sometimes and it just feels really long to me. I may test this out with one of my old sticks.

Stickmata is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-07-2011, 01:41 PM
  #8
r3cc0s
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 412
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hyster110 View Post
people should also factor in their type of play and what position they play
absolutely there are exceptions to every rule...

that being said, maximum control and having the top hand in the proper position is crucial...

At the end of the day, you want a flat blade and your top hand to be in the right position... so the factors are definately:

skating position (upright skater, crouched etc...)
length of arms
height in general

however, that being said... because it does take your height, arm length and lie of stick into concideration, I think that the method of having your stick flat on the ice while standing up on skates, and finding where on the stick to place your top hand... is the best method to determine where you should cut.

Then cut down pragmatically, as you don't want to have to add a plug, as again there are variances as to how people skate....

There are players with relatively long sticks, and for example St. Louis plays a massive stick for his 5'8 frame, and he's effective... but as verified by my Neighbor who played with him, he also plays a very flat lie.

When it comes down to flex, yup... Jarick is right, the flex should be based more on height of the player than his weight.
Was it Brier who uses a 70ish flex stick? Well he's not a tall guy and a 70flex stick cut down to his heigh probably has the relative flex of a 90 or 100 full height stick.

r3cc0s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-07-2011, 01:47 PM
  #9
beth
Registered User
 
beth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Bellevue, WA
Country: United States
Posts: 543
vCash: 500
I'm finding the better I get, the shorter I want my stick. I just cut 1/2" off it yesterday, and will probably gradually cut off even more.

beth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-07-2011, 02:11 PM
  #10
Jarick
Moderator
Doing Nothing
 
Jarick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St Paul, MN
Country: United States
Posts: 24,421
vCash: 500
Not a lot of guys using under 80 flex at the NHL level since most of them are over 6' tall...but a lot of guys actually get flex on their sticks.

Jarick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-08-2011, 12:05 AM
  #11
DougKnowsBest
Registered User
 
DougKnowsBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Newark, Ohio
Country: United States
Posts: 6,368
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by beth View Post
I'm finding the better I get, the shorter I want my stick. I just cut 1/2" off it yesterday, and will probably gradually cut off even more.
i can prove you are correct



im not very good and i feel like i wanted a longer stick...




my stick handling is so poor i felt like i wouldnt be loosing anything by trying the next size up... im only 5'8 so the thought of increasing my reach is apealing



what kind of saw are you using to chop down your sticks... seems like a jigsaw with a nice metal blade would work?


Last edited by DougKnowsBest: 10-08-2011 at 12:12 AM.
DougKnowsBest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-08-2011, 02:26 AM
  #12
beth
Registered User
 
beth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Bellevue, WA
Country: United States
Posts: 543
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DougKnowsBest View Post
what kind of saw are you using to chop down your sticks... seems like a jigsaw with a nice metal blade would work?
I have a power miter saw that makes quick work of it.

beth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-08-2011, 10:11 AM
  #13
Wilch
Unregistered User
 
Wilch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Under your bed
Country: Taiwan
Posts: 9,254
vCash: 500
I'm a n00b. I ordered my stick on the internet. I stand at 177cm or around 5'9-5'10, weigh about 175 pounds. Got a 85 flex Synergy ST, lie 5.5...

When I'm wearing skates, the stick is right between my chin and lips. I'm guessing that's juuuuust a tad high? But I didn't bother cutting it down. It seems my tape wears off a little more at the heels. I don't really notice any obvious issues right now, but I guess I can be oblivious about it since I'm a beginner anyway.

Wilch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-08-2011, 02:23 PM
  #14
HockeyDonkey33
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Denver CO
Country: United States
Posts: 142
vCash: 500
So is there a generic indication on where to find the flex of your stick? I have a few woodies that aren't really obvious of where the flex is...

HockeyDonkey33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-08-2011, 02:37 PM
  #15
ShootIt
Registered User
 
ShootIt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: 561
Country: United States
Posts: 7,079
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by beth View Post
I'm finding the better I get, the shorter I want my stick. I just cut 1/2" off it yesterday, and will probably gradually cut off even more.
This, cut my One 90(2 piece) 2 inches so far since I've had it.

Need to start playing again.

ShootIt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-10-2011, 04:38 PM
  #16
Stickmata
Registered User
 
Stickmata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,489
vCash: 500
So I tried the stand on skates let arms fall straight down and see where the stick lies flat thingy, and it told me I should cut off about 4.5" from my standard length stick (I've got gorilla long arms). So I took too old sticks, cut one down 2.5" and one down 3.5". Took them and a standard length stick to a skate and shoot and tried them out back to back. Hands down I played my best with the shortest stick.

Stickmata is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-10-2011, 05:28 PM
  #17
Jarick
Moderator
Doing Nothing
 
Jarick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St Paul, MN
Country: United States
Posts: 24,421
vCash: 500
In practice it seems easier to play with a shorter stick but in games I seem to want them a bit longer. I've been able to use sticks 3" below the chin in practice but as soon as warmups hit I'm shanking every puck and have nothing.

Jarick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-10-2011, 10:34 PM
  #18
Stickmata
Registered User
 
Stickmata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,489
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarick View Post
In practice it seems easier to play with a shorter stick but in games I seem to want them a bit longer. I've been able to use sticks 3" below the chin in practice but as soon as warmups hit I'm shanking every puck and have nothing.
I was able to use it in half ice 3 on 3 and I liked it, but my fear is that I'll lose a bit on the stick check and back check in a full ice game. What was really strange was that I felt like I could reach for pucks that were off the mark better with the short stick because I had better control over it. I was able to corral the puck with one hand on the stick better than I could with the longer stick - less bouncing off. It also felt much better picking pucks up off the wall and fighting for loose pucks. Test will be in a real game later this week. There's no doubt the long stick is too long for me. Just a question of how much shorter is right.

Stickmata is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-11-2011, 11:31 AM
  #19
Pog Form
Registered User
 
Pog Form's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Toronto, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 701
vCash: 500
Hmm, I have a longer than average stick. I add about 3" of wood plug at the end. I'm 6'2, so when I'm on skates, I'd say the stick is about up to my mouth.

My stickhandling isn't the strongest (I don't have a bunch of dekes in my toolbox) but I have decent composure and can usually get out of trouble. I know that this is partly due to my stick length, but it's a sacrifice I make in order to have better reach which helps me tremendously as a defenseman.

To have a stick that goes up to my chest would mean cutting off about 6-8 inches. It would be an interesting experiment, but I feel like I would almost have to re-learn the game.

Pog Form is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-11-2011, 02:14 PM
  #20
Jarick
Moderator
Doing Nothing
 
Jarick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St Paul, MN
Country: United States
Posts: 24,421
vCash: 500
Yep and even 1/2" makes a difference. It's interesting. This summer I chopped another 1-1.5" off my sticks and when stickhandling now my hands are almost touching.

Granted it's only C level so I'm not amazing but I can dangle pretty much anyone right now north-south. 4-5 years ago when my stick was almost up to my nose I was playing D level and getting stripped of the puck a lot. It made a big positive difference for me.

I will say I had a harder shot with a longer stick, because I could use a stiffer stick and get more leverage and flex.

Jarick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-11-2011, 02:19 PM
  #21
Pog Form
Registered User
 
Pog Form's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Toronto, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 701
vCash: 500
Hmmm... I might actually give it a try at my pick-up skate this week. I'll pull the wooden plug out of one of my sticks and see how it feels.

Pog Form is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-11-2011, 07:56 PM
  #22
Guffaw
Registered User
 
Guffaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Drexel Hill PA
Country: United States
Posts: 490
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarick View Post
Yep and even 1/2" makes a difference. It's interesting. This summer I chopped another 1-1.5" off my sticks and when stickhandling now my hands are almost touching.

Granted it's only C level so I'm not amazing but I can dangle pretty much anyone right now north-south. 4-5 years ago when my stick was almost up to my nose I was playing D level and getting stripped of the puck a lot. It made a big positive difference for me.

I will say I had a harder shot with a longer stick, because I could use a stiffer stick and get more leverage and flex.
Where does the stick come to on you in bare feet? Mine are about at my chin in bare feet and well below that on skates.

It is a trade off. Better shot and better defensively with the longer stick. Much better stick handler with the shorter stick. I haven't decided which one makes me a better player.

I'm 6'2" and I cut about 1-2" off my sticks.

Guffaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-11-2011, 08:54 PM
  #23
DougKnowsBest
Registered User
 
DougKnowsBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Newark, Ohio
Country: United States
Posts: 6,368
vCash: 500
ok new question


is there a different recommended stick length for kids? age 10 or 11


or just do the same thing i did to measure mine? i just noticed my sons stick is to long and ive got the itch to chop it down

DougKnowsBest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-11-2011, 09:22 PM
  #24
vapor11
Registered User
 
vapor11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 467
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DougKnowsBest View Post
ok new question


is there a different recommended stick length for kids? age 10 or 11


or just do the same thing i did to measure mine? i just noticed my sons stick is to long and ive got the itch to chop it down
I wouldn't cut it down too much..The way I measure how much to take off is I like my sticks to fit right underneath my nose while in shoes and then on skates they are in my chin-mouth area

vapor11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-11-2011, 11:00 PM
  #25
Jarick
Moderator
Doing Nothing
 
Jarick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St Paul, MN
Country: United States
Posts: 24,421
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guffaw View Post
Where does the stick come to on you in bare feet? Mine are about at my chin in bare feet and well below that on skates.

It is a trade off. Better shot and better defensively with the longer stick. Much better stick handler with the shorter stick. I haven't decided which one makes me a better player.

I'm 6'2" and I cut about 1-2" off my sticks.
Just under my bottom lip in bare feet, same as Brett Hull

Just put a 1.25" plug in a backup stick for S&G and it's about 1/2" below my nose. That's roughly where I played the second half of last winter and after playing with a shorter stick much of the summer I want to compare. And maybe use that longer stick if/when I have to sub on defense.

Jarick is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:44 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.