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08-10-2011, 11:14 AM
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..Interesting that Johnny Bower actually got Lady Byng consideration in 1961-62!!..First and only time i`ve seen Lady Byng votes? for a Goalie??..Awesome work, BM67..
Don Head was in the NHL in 1961-62. Response to his style reflected in the Lady Byng.

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I believe the first goalie that appears in Lady Byng voting in this thread is Chuck Rayner in 1946-47. Harry Lumley follows in 1947-48. The lack of goalies before then may be due to the incomplete voting record.

Ken Dryden received votes at least 4 times.

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Don Head was in the NHL in 1961-62. Response to his style reflected in the Lady Byng.
..Head was indeed combative if nothing else...Had to be....Dryden & Bower, .. guess i can understand..Just never perceived the Lady Byng in light of Goalies?

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1953-54 All-Stars

This is the first year of the split voting, with voting done at the mid season point and at the end.

There was again weighted voting, and I think one of the articles mentioned 27 voters. If a city had 3 voters, their votes would count as a full vote. A city with 9 voters would have each vote count as 1/3 a vote for the same 3 full votes as a city with 3 voters. Note that Red Kelly could not receive 87/90 points in the first half with a true 18 voter poll, and of course Tod Sloan couldn't get 42.5 points either.

As seems pretty standard during the split voting period, it is easy to find a full 1st half voting breakdown, but not much beyond the 1st/2nd place winners for the final voting.

ALL-STAR TEAMS:
GOALTENDER: (292/324, 162-130) Harry Lumley, Tor 127 (57-70); Terry Sawchuk, Det 95 (35-60); Al Rollins, Chi (54-); Gerry McNeil, Mtl (13-); Jim Henry, Bos (3-)
DEFENSE: (564/648, 324-240) Red Kelly, Det 177 (87-90); Doug Harvey, Mtl 130 (57-73); Bill Gadsby, Chi 84 (51-33); Tim Horton, Tor 83 (39-44); Bob Goldham, Det (21-); Jim Thomson, Tor (17-); Gus Mortson, Chi (13-); Butch Bouchard, Mtl (11-); Tom Johnson, Mtl (11-); Bob Armstrong, Bos (7-); Leo Reise, NYR (4-); Hy Buller, NYR (1-); Ray Gariepy, Bos (1-); Hal Laycoe, Bos (1-); Frank Martin, Bos (1-); Bill Quackenbush, Bos (1-); Fern Flaman, Tor (1-)
CENTER: (236.5/324, 162-74.5) Ken Mosdell, Mtl 107 (68-39); Ted Kennedy, Tor 43 (11-32); Tod Sloan, Tor 42.5 (39-3.5); Earl Reibel, Det (20-); Milt Schmidt, Bos (10-); Don Raleigh, NYR (5-); Paul Ronty, NYR (4-); Fleming Mackell, Bos (2-); Jean Beliveau, Mtl (2-); Wally Hergesheimer, NYR (1-)
RIGHT WING: (305/324, 162-143) Gordie Howe, Det 144 (71-73); Maurice Richard, Mtl 142 (72-70); Bernie Geoffrion, Mtl (14-); Johnny Pierson, Bos (2-); Doug Mohns, Bos (1-); George Armstrong, Tor (1-); Wally Hergesheimer, NYR (1-)
LEFT WING: (260/324, 162-98) Ted Lindsay, Det 163 (78-85); Ed Sandford, Bos 64 (51-13); Sid Smith, Tor (12-); Harry Watson, Tor (10-); Bert Olmstead, Mtl (5-); Calum MacKay, Mtl (2-); Milt Schmidt, Bos (2-); Joe Klukay, Bos (1-); Marty Pavelich, Det (1-)

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1954-55 & 1955-56 All-Stars

55 was a bad year for all-star data. The first half voting only mentions point totals for Harvey and Lumley. While the second half articles give final totals only, with a few guys like Richard and Geoffrion getting a mention because they flipped from the first half.

Hugh Bolton was on the 2nd team in first half voting, and Plante was 3rd in goalie voting for the 1st half, but no point totals were given.

ALL-STAR TEAMS:
GOALTENDER: (280/324, 80-72) Harry Lumley, Tor 152 (80-72); Terry Sawchuk, Det 128 (-); Jacques Plante ();
DEFENSE: (436/648, 89-85) Doug Harvey, Mtl 174 (89-85); Red Kelly, Det 151 (-); Bob Goldham, Det 64 (-); Fern Flaman, Bos 47 (-); Hugh Bolton, Tor ();
CENTER: (253/324, -) Jean Beliveau, Mtl 151 (-); Ken Mosdell, Mtl 51.3 (-); Ted Kennedy, Tor 50.76 (-);
RIGHT WING: (243/324, 133-110) Maurice Richard, Mtl 138 (65-73); Bernie Geoffrion, Mtl 105 (68-37);
LEFT WING: (214/324, -) Sid Smith, Tor 147 (-); Danny Lewicki, NYR 67 (-);


1955-56 goes back to the full list for the 1st half voting and just the guys that made the teams for the 2nd half. There are 2 points missing from the 1st half defense voting.

ALL-STAR TEAMS:
GOALTENDER: (268/324, 162-106) Jacques Plante, Mtl 119 (63-56); Glenn Hall, Det 84 (34-50); Gump Worsley, NYR (51-); Terry Sawchuk, Bos (14-);
DEFENSE: (579/648, 322-257) Doug Harvey, Mtl 177 (89-88); Bill Gadsby, NYR 116 (46-70); Red Kelly, Det 114 (55-59); Tom Johnson, Mtl 81 (41-40); Jim Morrison, Tor (15-); Fern Flaman, Bos (15-); Harry Howell, NYR (14-); Bob Goldham, Det (10-); Frank Martin, Chi (9-); Allan Stanley, Chi (6-); Marcel Pronovost, Det (4-); Leo Boivin, Bos (4-); Bob Armstrong, Bos (3-); Gus Mortson, Chi (3-); Dollard St-Laurent, Mtl (2-); Hugh Bolton, Tor (2-); Jim Thomson, Tor (1-); Tim Horton, Tor (1-); Warren Godfrey, Det (1-); Bill Quackenbush, Bos (1-)
CENTER: (304/324, 162-142) Jean Beliveau, Mtl 180 (90-90); Tod Sloan, Tor 84 (32-52); Dave Creighton, NYR (16-); Alex Delvecchio, Det (12-); Earl Reibel, Det (7-); Andy Bathgate, NYR (4-); Hank Ciesla, Chi (1-)
RIGHT WING: (306/324, 162-144) Maurice Richard, Mtl 151 (81-70); Gordie Howe, Det 128 (54-74); Andy Bathgate, NYR (23-); Wally Hergesheimer, NYR (3-); Leo Labine, Bos (1-)
LEFT WING: (281/324, 162-119) Ted Lindsay, Det 134 (64-70); Bert Olmstead, Mtl 94 (45-49); Dean Prentice, NYR (20-); Johnny Wilson, Chi (13-); Nick Mickoski, Chi (10-); Ron Murphy, NYR (5-); Ed Litzenberger, Chi (3-); Red Kelly, Det (1-); Andy Bathgate, NYR (1-)


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LEFT WING: (281/324, 162-119) Ted Lindsay, Det 134 (64-70); Bert Olmstead, Mtl 94 (45-49); Dean Prentice, NYR (20-); Johnny Wilson, Bos (13-); Nick Mickoski, Chi (10-); Ron Murphy, NYR (5-); Ed Litzenberger, Chi (3-); Red Kelly, Det (1-); Andy Bathgate, NYR (1-)[/QUOTE]

Must be a mis print, Johnny Wilson played for Chicago. Interesting that Litzenberger & bathgate got votes at LW.

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1955-56 goes back to the full list for the 1st half voting and just the guys that made the teams for the 2nd half. There are 2 points missing from the 1st half defense voting.

ALL-STAR TEAMS:
GOALTENDER: (268/324, 162-106) Jacques Plante, Mtl 119 (63-56); Glenn Hall, Chi 84 (34-50); Gump Worsley, NYR (51-); Terry Sawchuk, Det (14-);
DEFENSE: (579/648, 322-257) Doug Harvey, Mtl 177 (89-88); Bill Gadsby, NYR 116 (46-70); Red Kelly, Det 114 (55-59); Tom Johnson, Mtl 81 (41-40); Jim Morrison, Tor (15-); Fern Flaman, Bos (15-); Harry Howell, NYR (14-); Bob Goldham, Det (10-); Frank Martin, Chi (9-); Allan Stanley, Chi (6-); Marcel Pronovost, Det (4-); Leo Boivin, Bos (4-); Bob Armstrong, Bos (3-); Gus Mortson, Chi (3-); Dollard St-Laurent, Mtl (2-); Hugh Bolton, Tor (2-); Jim Thomson, Tor (1-); Tim Horton, Tor (1-); Warren Godfrey, Det (1-); Bill Quackenbush, Bos (1-)
CENTER: (304/324, 162-142) Jean Beliveau, Mtl 180 (90-90); Tod Sloan, Tor 84 (32-52); Dave Creighton, NYR (16-); Alex Delvecchio, Det (12-); Earl Reibel, Det (7-); Andy Bathgate, NYR (4-); Hank Ciesla, Chi (1-)
RIGHT WING: (306/324, 162-144) Maurice Richard, Mtl 151 (81-70); Gordie Howe, Det 128 (54-74); Andy Bathgate, NYR (23-); Wally Hergesheimer, NYR (3-); Leo Labine, Bos (1-)
LEFT WING: (281/324, 162-119) Ted Lindsay, Det 134 (64-70); Bert Olmstead, Mtl 94 (45-49); Dean Prentice, NYR (20-); Johnny Wilson, Chi (13-); Nick Mickoski, Chi (10-); Ron Murphy, NYR (5-); Ed Litzenberger, Chi (3-); Red Kelly, Det (1-); Andy Bathgate, NYR (1-)[/QUOTE]

..Glenn Hall was in Detroit, in 1955-56..not Chicago..

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1956-57 & 57-58 All-Stars

For 56-57 we again have full results for the 1st half voting, except for 10 missing points on defense, and the totals for the 1st and 2nd team winners for the 2nd half.

ALL-STAR TEAMS:
GOALTENDER: (273/324, 162-138) Glenn Hall, Det 121 (45-76); Jacques Plante, Mtl 85 (23-62); Terry Sawchuk, Bos (67-); Al Rollins, Chi (17-); Ed Chadwick, Tor (9-); Gump Worsley, NYR (1-)
DEFENSE: (546/648, 314-232) Doug Harvey, Mtl 172 (90-82); Red Kelly, Det 98 (46-52); Fern Flaman, Bos 79 (25-54); Bill Gadsby, NYR 77 (33-44); Doug Mohns, Bos (43-); Marcel Pronovost, Det (21-); Tom Johnson, Mtl (13-); Bob Armstrong, Bos (11-); Gus Mortson, Chi (10-); Allan Stanley, Bos (10-); Pierre Pilote, Chi (4-); Jim Thomson, Tor (3-); Jack Evans, NYR (2-); Jim Morrison, Tor (2-); Tim Horton, Tor (1-)
CENTER: (256/324, 162-94) Jean Beliveau, Mtl 141 (90-51); Ed Litzenberger, Chi 43 (0-43); Norm Ullman, Det (20-); Henri Richard, Mtl (16-); Andy Bathgate, NYR (12-); Tod Sloan, Tor (10-); Don McKenney, Bos (8-); Fleming Mackell, Bos (3-); Rudy Migay, Tor (2-); Glen Skov, Det (1-)
RIGHT WING: (279/324, 162-117) Gordie Howe, Det 176 (90-86); Maurice Richard, Mtl 69 (38-31); Jerry Toppazzinni, Bos (27-); Ed Litzenberger, Chi (3-); Bernie Geoffrion, Mtl (2-); Andy Bathgate, NYR (1-); Floyd Curry, Mtl (1-)
LEFT WING: (281/324, 162-119) Ted Lindsay, Det 156 (73-83); Real Chevrefils, Bos 55 (19-36); Dickie Moore, Mtl (30-); Bert Olmstead, Mtl (24-); Vic Stasiuk, Bos (7-); Dick Duff, Tor (6-); Harry Watson, Chi (3-)

For 57-58 we have little beyond the 1st and 2nd teams.

ALL-STAR TEAMS:
GOALTENDER: (212/324, 109-103) Glenn Hall, Chi 108 (65-43); Jacques Plante, Mtl 104 (44-60);
DEFENSE: (467/648, 244-223) Doug Harvey, Mtl 180 (90-90); Bill Gadsby, NYR 168 (87-81); Fern Flaman, Bos 54 (29-25); Marcel Pronovost, Det 46 (19-27); Ron Stewart, Tor (19-)
CENTER: (256/324, 129-127) Henri Richard, Mtl 176 (87-89); Jean Beliveau, Mtl 80 (42-38);
RIGHT WING: (266/324, 118-66) Gordie Howe, Det 155 (89-66); Andy Bathgate, NYR 82 (-); Maurice Richard, Mtl (29-)
LEFT WING: (228/324, 96-90) Dickie Moore, Mtl, 161 (71-90); Camille Henry, NYR 62 (-); Fleming Mackell, Bos (25-);

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58-59, 59-60, 60-61 & 61-62 All-Stars

Not much info beyond the 1st and 2nd team for 58-59 or 59-60.

1958-59
ALL-STAR TEAMS:
GOALTENDER: (263/324, 141-102) Jacques Plante, Mtl 145 (66-79); Terry Sawchuk, Det 98 (75-23);
DEFENSE: (480/648, 260-220) Tom Johnson, Mtl 139 (60-79); Bill Gadsby, NYR 106 (52-54); Marcel Pronovost, Det 95 (54-41); Doug Harvey, Mtl 92 (46-46); Fern Flaman, Bos (48-)
CENTER: (242/324, 100-88) Jean Beliveau, Mtl 133 (47-86); Henri Richard, Mtl 55 (53-2); Don McKenney, Bos 54 (-);
RIGHT WING: (294/324, 161-133) Andy Bathgate, NYR 152 (69-83); Gordie Howe, Det 90 (40-50); Bernie Geoffrion, Mtl (49-); Maurice Richard, Mtl (3-)
LEFT WING: (212/324, 118-94) Dickie Moore, Mtl, 176 (86-90); Alex Delvecchio, Det 36 (32-4);

1959-60
ALL-STAR TEAMS:
GOALTENDER: (276/324, 155-121) Glenn Hall, Chi 106 (22-84); Jacques Plante, Mtl 105 (68-37); Terry Sawchuk, Det (65-);
DEFENSE: (543/648, 273-270) Doug Harvey, Mtl 154 (88-66); Marcel Pronovost, Det 98 (44-54); Allan Stanley, Tor 94 (35-59); Pierre Pilote, Chi 75 (19-56); Tom Johnson, Mtl 74 (39-35); Bob Armstrong, Bos (28-); Bill Gadsby, NYR (20-)
CENTER: (282/324, 158-124) Jean Beliveau, Mtl 158 (84-74); Bronco Horvath, Bos 100 (50-50); Henri Richard, Mtl (24-);
RIGHT WING: (282/324, 157-125) Gordie Howe, Det 172 (90-82); Bernie Geoffrion, Mtl 76 (33-43); Andy Bathgate, NYR (34-);
LEFT WING: (294/324, 159-135) Bobby Hull, Chi 172 (84-88); Dean Prentice, NYR 77 (30-47); Bert Olmstead, Tor (25-); Dickie Moore, Mtl (20-)

We again get a full voting record for the 1st half in 60-61. There is 0.5 points missing for the defense, so there is possibly a player that received a vote that is not listed due to his vote being worth less than a half point.

1960-61
ALL-STAR TEAMS:
GOALTENDER: (297/324, 162-135) Johnny Bower, Tor 156 (84-72); Glenn Hall, Chi 113 (50-63); Gump Worsley, NYR (25-); Terry Sawchuk, Det (2-); Charlie Hodge, Mtl (1-)
DEFENSE: (544.5/648, 323.5-221) Doug Harvey, Mtl 169 (83-86); Marcel Pronovost, Det 104 (50-54); Allan Stanley, Tor 68 (25-43); Pierre Pilote, Chi 53 (15-38); Carl Brewer, Tor (33-); Tom Johnson, Mtl (24.5-); Leo Boivin, Bos (24-); Pete Goegan, Det (20-); Warren Godfrey, Det (9-); Albert Langois, Mtl (8-0); Doug Mohns, Bos (7-); Elmer Vasko, Chi (7-); Jack Evans, Chi (5-); Bill Gadsby, NYR (5-); Bobby Baun, Tor (3-); Harry Howell, NYR (3-); Tim Horton, Tor (1-); Jean-Guy Talbot, Mtl (1-)
CENTER: (271/324, 162-109) Jean Beliveau, Mtl 170 (80-90); Henri Richard, Mtl 51 (32-19); Norm Ullman, Det (25-); Red Kelly, Tor (19-); Don McKenney, Bos (3-); Alex Delvecchio, Det (3-)
RIGHT WING: (303/324, 162-141) Bernie Geoffrion, Mtl 177 (87-90); Gordie Howe, Det 102 (51-51); Andy Bathgate, NYR (24-);
LEFT WING: (287/324, 162-125) Frank Mahovlich, Tor 175 (87-88); Dickie Moore, Mtl 93 (56-37); Bobby Hull, Chi (13-); Alex Delvecchio, Det (3-); Camille Henry, NYR (1-); Bert Olmstead, Tor (1-); Dean Prentice, NYR (1-)

We don't get a full result for the 1st half in 61-62, but it is still more than we get for the 2nd half and final totals.

1961-62
ALL-STAR TEAMS:
GOALTENDER: (292/324, 154-138) Jacques Plante, Mtl 157 (73-84); Glenn Hall, Chi 86 (32-54); Johnny Bower, Tor (49-)
DEFENSE: (457/648, 251-206) Doug Harvey, NYR 127 (85-42); Jean-Guy Talbot, Mtl 90 (29-61); Carl Brewer, Tor 79 (39-40); Pierre Pilote, Chi 69 (6-63); Jack Evans, Chi (36-); Allan Stanley, Tor (26-); Doug Mohns, Bos (20-); Marcel Pronovost, Det (10-);
CENTER: (248/324, 130-118) Stan Mikita, Chi 108 (26-82); Dave Keon, Tor 60 (24-36); Red Kelly, Tor (30-); Henri Richard, Mtl (28-); Ralph Backstrom, Mtl (22-)
RIGHT WING: (306/324, 162-144) Andy Bathgate, NYR 151 (69-82); Gordie Howe, Det 115 (53-62); Claude Provost, Mtl (31-); Bernie Geoffrion, Mtl (9-);
LEFT WING: (251/324, 133-118) Bobby Hull, Chi 116 (26-90); Frank Mahovlich, Tor 105 (77-28); Dean Prentice, NYR (30-);

That gives us something for every years all-star teams, and probably is about everything that Google archives can give us without using the pay-per-view papers.

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BM67..These stat counts can be so Byzanthine,,at best!..Do the numbers above mean that Don McKenney at centre led the league with 54 votes at Mid season, 1 more than Henri, but received none for the 2nd half, only to finish a single tally behind H.Richard who had 2??..Very odd that!....Same for Red Kelly at centre in 61-62? ..Many strange discrepencies here!


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BM67..These stat counts can be so Byzanthine,,at best!..Do the numbers above mean that Don McKenney at centre led the league with 54 votes at Mid season, 1 more than Henri, but received none for the 2nd half, only to finish a single tally behind H.Richard who had 2??..Very odd that!....Same for Red Kelly at centre in 61-62? ..Many strange discrepencies here!
In 58-59 McKenney received 54 points in total, 1 less than Henri. I couldn't find anything stating what he received in either half.

CENTER: (242/324, 100-88) Jean Beliveau, Mtl 133 (47-86); Henri Richard, Mtl 55 (53-2); Don McKenney, Bos 54 (-);
Beliveau 133, Richard 55, McKenney 54 = 242 of the 324 total points
Beliveau 47, Richard 53 = 100 of 162 of the 1st half points
Beliveau 86, Richard 2 = 88 of 162 of the 2nd half points

In 61-62 Kelly received 30 points in 1st half voting, but his 2nd half and total voting points are unknown. All we can say is he finished with less than Keon's 60 points as Keon, and not Kelly, made the 2nd team.

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In 58-59 McKenney received 54 points in total, 1 less than Henri. I couldn't find anything stating what he received in either half.

CENTER: (242/324, 100-88) Jean Beliveau, Mtl 133 (47-86); Henri Richard, Mtl 55 (53-2); Don McKenney, Bos 54 (-);
Beliveau 133, Richard 55, McKenney 54 = 242 of the 324 total points
Beliveau 47, Richard 53 = 100 of 162 of the 1st half points
Beliveau 86, Richard 2 = 88 of 162 of the 2nd half points

In 61-62 Kelly received 30 points in 1st half voting, but his 2nd half and total voting points are unknown. All we can say is he finished with less than Keon's 60 points as Keon, and not Kelly, made the 2nd team.
1958-59 voting probably reflects players shifting positions - Delvecchio moved to center, McKenney tended to switch between LW and C.

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..Well, McKenney surged at left wing in 1957-58, where Flem MacKell is listed?....Interesting to note that Andy Bathgate is listed twice in 56-57...Doug Mohns only played part of 61-62 on Defense, under coach Phil Wtson, He started that disastrous season playing on RW on the top line with Bucyk & McKenney...

N.B.: Ron Stewart never played Defense,,


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..Well, McKenney surged at left wing in 1957-58, where Flem MacKell is listed?....Interesting to note that Andy Bathgate is listed twice in 56-57...Doug Mohns only played part of 61-62 on Defense, under coach Phil Wtson, He started that disastrous season playing on RW on the top line with Bucyk & McKenney...

N.B.: Ron Stewart never played Defense,,
In 56-57 Bathgate got votes at both centre & RW. Guess he played both. Ed Litz also got votes at Centre & RW and I know he played both. Interesting that all his centre votes came in the 2nd half which was enough to get him on the 2nd AS team. Ron stewart definitely spent time on D which is why he got votes for D.

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That gives us something for every years all-star teams, and probably is about everything that Google archives can give us without using the pay-per-view papers.
I would contribute $50 towards getting even more complete results.

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In 56-57 Bathgate got votes at both centre & RW. Guess he played both. Ed Litz also got votes at Centre & RW and I know he played both. Interesting that all his centre votes came in the 2nd half which was enough to get him on the 2nd AS team. Ron stewart definitely spent time on D which is why he got votes for D.
....Did not know or had forgotten about Ron Stewart;s brief stint on defense..


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Pappy:..These stats. prove my point about Don McKenney..Absurdly listed way down at center when linemate Real Chevrefils makes the 2nd team!!...Top power unit with Labine...Ditto 58-59...Much better stats than Henri Richard who had a quiet, injury plagued season..Centered the UKE line in lieu of injured Horvath in 1rst half...Does not make sense..guess voters did not like his clean, elegant style of play...


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.Ditto..thank You BM67..

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Pappy:..These stats. prove my point about Don McKenney..Absurdly listed way down at center when linemate Real Chevrefils makes the 2nd team!!...Top power unit with Labine...Ditto 58-59...Much better stats than Henri Richard who had a quiet, injury plagued season..Centered the UKE line in lieu of injured Horvath in 1rst half...Does not make sense..guess voters did not like his clean, elegant style of play...
Hey, I like Mckenny also. I think he was probably Boston's best forward in the 1956-60 era and that he is very under-rated. Certainly think that he should have got more AS support in 56-57 but don't think he was as good as Litz. Think he got robbed in 58-59 getting one less vote than Richard.

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That gives us something for every years all-star teams, and probably is about everything that Google archives can give us without using the pay-per-view papers.
Pay-per-view papers used the same wire services as the free Google archives papers.

Other sources may be an option - if dates of the published results could be provided I could check some of the French newspapers in Quebec.

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Hey, I like Mckenny also. I think he was probably Boston's best forward in the 1956-60 era and that he is very under-rated. Certainly think that he should have got more AS support in 56-57 but don't think he was as good as Litz. Think he got robbed in 58-59 getting one less vote than Richard.
numero 3 at center in 57=58
..Litz was the prototypical power forward..Don McKenney relied on speed & finesse.. i would be very curious to find out who was number 3 in votes at centre..

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numero 3 at center in 57=58
..Litz was the prototypical power forward..Don McKenney relied on speed & finesse.. i would be very curious to find out who was number 3 in votes at centre..
Too bad we don't know all the second half votes. IMO, no. 3 should have been Mckenny But could have been Ullman or Richard based on their ist half votes. Mckenny was really close to being an AS in those years.

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i recently viewed a LEAFS TV dvd featuring the interviews & initial game of the famous 1964 Bathgate/McKenney trade..At first, Dave Keon centered Andy at RW & Don at LW...The announcers, Bill Hewitt and comp. were amazed at the deamenor and speed demonstrated by Mckenney!..On one play, Keon is mounting an attack at centre with McKenney trailing well behind, and a few seconds later, in the space of a couple of easy strides, Number 17 had actually snaked pass Keon, who was not exactly slowfooted himself!...Bathgate & Mckenney looked regal in their new blue Toronto sweaters...Classy, veteran Stars of the 1rst caliber! in their last moments of frontline greatness, with the expressed intent of winning the Stanley Cup..A shame their stay in dynastic Toronto was so brief!..And this from someone who could not imagine Bathgate [Rangers] & Don McKenney[ Bruins] anywhere but...,


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I see that I had not linked the post for the 1934-35 all-star voting results, so some people thought they were missing. I have now added a link to Post 521 to post 101.

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