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Off season and 2012 Season discussion here.

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Resign Reyes
Platoon Tejada & Murphy at 2nd
Non tender Pelfrey & Pagan
Find a CFer
Give Duda RF
Spend no more than 4.5 million on a closer as they all suck (except Rivera of course)

Spend 2012 as a year to let guys like Davis, Duda, Tejada, Niese, Gee learn more. Let prospects like Harvey, Familia, Wheeler gain more experience.

Nothing wrong with a 80 or so win team as long as you have an eye towards the future. I'm confident Sandy won't do anything drastic like sign Prince Fielder & trade Davis. If it takes another 3 years till the Mets are really competitive then so be it. Look no further than the Isles. They rebuilt the foundation & now they look poised to make some noise & have a bright future ahead of them. Mets have to do the same thing.

Screw this WIN NOW attitude. It's an awful attitude to have unless you're spending 220 million ever year.

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Healthy Murph and Davis could make this team competitive if they have Reyes in the fold.

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I would not resign Reyes, he won't play like this again.

I think Jeremy Affeldt can come here and become the closer.

I would make a huge run at Matt Kemp, taking advantage of the Dodgers' ownership issues.

Duda is the man in RF.

Niese will be a breakout pitcher.

Murphy at 2nd, Tejada at SS.

I would keep Pagan, there are not many good CF's if you can't get a guy like Kemp.

Pelfrey has to go, he doesn't get it, kind of like the Blake Comeau of baseball.

Lineup could be:

Pagan CF
Tejada SS
Murphy 2b
Davis 1B
Wright 3B
Duda RF
Bay LF
Thole C

Bench: Evans, Nickeas, Harris, Baxter, Turner and one other guy

Santana
Niese
Dickey
Gee
Battle between Capuano and Mejia for 5th spot

Pen

Closer Affeldt
Long men: Acosta, Parnell
7th inning: Beato
8th inning: acquisition
Lefty specialist Byrdak

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Thats an awful team.

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The best plan for met fans is for them to jump ship and become yankee fans. You will get to watch at least 3 more games a year.

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I would not resign Reyes, he won't play like this again.
I'm not so sure why you think he won't continue to be a great player. Will he win another batting title? I don't know. Yeah he's been a career 290s hitter. But people also forget that he's just now in his prime. Unlike the 3rd baseman, he is actually playing the best of his career during his prime (like every other player does). Same thing with Braun who was never a high BA type. But he's in his prime now. Do you think Braun will never be a high average guy again?

Do I think he'll continue to hit 330. no probably not. But I can see him being a 300+ hitter. Besides, even if he "reverts" back to a 290 hitter, he's still one of if not the best leadoff man in baseball.

They should walk away though if someone offers him something crazy like 6 years 120.

Max the Mets should go is like 5/90

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I'm not so sure why you think he won't continue to be a great player. Will he win another batting title? I don't know. Yeah he's been a career 290s hitter. But people also forget that he's just now in his prime. Unlike the 3rd baseman, he is actually playing the best of his career during his prime (like every other player does). Same thing with Braun who was never a high BA type. But he's in his prime now. Do you think Braun will never be a high average guy again?

Do I think he'll continue to hit 330. no probably not. But I can see him being a 300+ hitter. Besides, even if he "reverts" back to a 290 hitter, he's still one of if not the best leadoff man in baseball.

They should walk away though if someone offers him something crazy like 6 years 120.

Max the Mets should go is like 5/90
There are elements to Jose Reyes that are overrated, his OBP was not that great considering he was a .337 stick. He was not clutch at all. The Mets did win without him.

That being said if 5/90 was on the table you sign him up, but he is going to be like 6 or 7 years at 120-175. Washington Nationals are craving this kind of player, and they already overpaid for Jayson Werth. I am assuming that Reyes will be gone, and the Mets will be a 75-80 win team next year unless something gives

Things that can change the course of the season

1) Matt Harvey or Jennry Mejia make the staff and breakout

2) Jon Niese has his Kershaw/Kennedy breakout season

3) They acquire Matt Kemp from LA

Realistically

I can see Davis and Duda smacking 30 homers each

I can see Niese winning 17-20 games

I can see Affeldt or someone like that coming over and being a solid closer.

Fears

David Wright has peaked

We give Jose Reyes the money and he becomes a .280 AVG .345 OBP player that is oft injured

Santana will not stay healthy

They will sign ineffective guys for the pen, more DJ Carrasco types

They make Mike Pelfrey the closer

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Idk for Duda being big, he is not a home run guy. I see him more as a line drive hitter (sort of like Davis, but Ike has more power). I can see him topping out at 30 in some seasons, but 25 is a safer bet.

And Harvey being called up this year is too far fetched. He needs to work on his command A LOT. He struggled a bit in AA so I would give him one more full year of development. Mejia needs some time as well after the injury so give him time.

If I were to pick a dark horse candidate for this season to make the staff, it would be Familia. There is so much hype with him, such as how some people are saying he is better than Harvey, that he might have a chance this season.
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Mejia isn't going to make the staff. He may not even pitch till later in the year if at all anyway. Pretty sure he had Tommy John surgery.

You can't make Pelfrey the closer because the guy gives up a TON of hits, and he doesn't strike anyone out. Alderson is smarter than that. there's no reason to worry they'll do this. Sometime in September, Alderson was asked if he felt the 2012 closer was already in the organization and he said he isn't here.

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Mejia isn't going to make the staff. He may not even pitch till later in the year if at all anyway. Pretty sure he had Tommy John surgery.

You can't make Pelfrey the closer because the guy gives up a TON of hits, and he doesn't strike anyone out. Alderson is smarter than that. there's no reason to worry they'll do this. Sometime in September, Alderson was asked if he felt the 2012 closer was already in the organization and he said he isn't here.
I remember Alderson saying that and he alluded to someone that is not a closer today because his team already has a closer, that is why I am thinking Affeldt.

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http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...-out-1.3287288


CC staying with Yankees.


"Yankee fans, I'll be here fighting for number 28 next year!" Sabathia announced on Twitter at just after 7 p.m. Monday.
He did not disclose the terms and the team did not immediately confirm the lefthander's announcement.
According to ESPN, Sabathia -- who had four years and $92 million left on the seven-year, $161-million deal he signed before the 2009 season -- received a fifth year, with the contract's total value ballooning to $122 million.

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thrilled they're fixing citi field

the renders look great
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/photos/g...49826&c_id=nym

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Nationals catcher Wilson Ramos was kidnapped last night in his home town down in Venezuela... Crazy.. its been over 16 hours and his family still hasn't received word from the kidnappers:

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According to a report in El Nacional and another in El Siglo, Ramos was approached by four “heavily armed gunmen” near his home around 7:30 p.m. Venezuelan time.

Major League Baseball was investigating the situation, according to a spokesman. Venezuelan Winter League president Jose Grasso told Ultimas Noticias Daily that “all police corps are working to solve Ramos‘ case.” Around midnight on Wednesday, the Nationals had not yet issued a statement on the kidnapping.

Marfa Mata, a close family friend who has helped Ramos adjust to life in the United States and covers his team in Venezuela, confirmed the news as well via Twitter.

“Sorry to corroborate the information,” Ms. Mata tweeted in Spanish. “I hope the authorities can resolve the case quickly.”

MLB players long have been targets in Venezuela, but it is believed that Ramos is the first major leaguer to be kidnapped. More often, a player´s family is targeted for ransom. Former major leaguer Victor Zambrano´s mother was kidnapped in 2009, just a few months after the son of Texas catcher Yorvit Torrealba. Zambrano´s mother and Torrealba´s son were rescued.
Crazy stuff..

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According to Incarcerated Bob Reyes has a deal in principal with the Marlins, will be announced next week.

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According to Incarcerated Bob Reyes has a deal in principal with the Marlins, will be announced next week.
I can't see it happening so soon. as far as I know he hasn't even been wined & dined by clubs like the Angels & Brewers who are also said to be interested. Unless the Marlins are offering up a really stupid contract offer like 6/135, then I can't see him agreeing to anything so soon.

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Goodbye Jose Reyes.....

Now cut the crap and get to the chase....

Offseason moves that need to happen
Trade Bay for a mid level prospect or AJ Burnett (a constantly brought up idea)
Make a surprise offer to either Pujols or Prince
If one of them signs, make Davis the left fielder (I think he has some experience in right field)
Offer Ryan Doumit a contract
Offer Brad Lidge a one year deal
Offer the Chi-Sox duo of Buerhle and Danks contracts (Danks is more likely to sign)
Trade Murphy and Pagan for BJ Upton
Keep Santana
Use Tejada as everyday shortstop
Re-sign Hairston, Cappy, and Pelfrey (one more year to prove himself)

Projected Lineup for now
Tejada
Turner
Wright
Davis
Duda
Bay
Pagan
Thole
(pitcher)

Bench
Hairston
Murphy
Valdespin (might get some starts this year)
Paulino
Martinez (time to shine....)

Rotation
Santana
Pelfrey
Niese
Dickey
Cappy/Gee

Relievers
LR Cappy/Gee
LR Carrssco
MR Bucholz
MR Tim Byrdak
SU Mejia (I really think he will be the closer at one point this year)
SU Parnell
CL Acosta

Overall, not a good looking team

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\Reyes is still a FA BTW. That report turned out to be BS.

as for your plan Moulson. I feel as though the team would be better in the long run if they did absolutely nothing then do the things you suggested.

The team you paid to get probably wins around 83 games. The team as it is now without Reyes, probably wins more or less the same as what they won last year. I say that because you take out Reyes, but in theory you add Davis, Murphy & Santana for the full year. Even if Santana is no longer an Ace (and I doubt he will be) he'll still likely be an improvement over guys like Pelfrey and Capuano. With the new dimensions, theoretically Wright & Bay will be better as well.

Since $ is tight with the Mets, then I'd rather they just save it and have an eye towards the future. 10 million not spent today can be 10 million spent tomorrow, or better yet invested into the draft & International Amateur Free Agents.

Even if the Mets sign Reyes, Pujols, CJ Wilson and the team remains healthy & players play to their peak performance in positions they're not familiar with, it's at best an 88 win team. There just isn't anything available this winter to turn a 77 win team into a playoff team.

Fix the foundation before you move into the penthouse.


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\Reyes is still a FA BTW. That report turned out to be BS.

as for your plan Moulson. I feel as though the team would be better in the long run if they did absolutely nothing then do the things you suggested.

The team you paid to get probably wins around 83 games. The team as it is now without Reyes, probably wins more or less the same as what they won last year. I say that because you take out Reyes, but in theory you add Davis, Murphy & Santana for the full year. Even if Santana is no longer an Ace (and I doubt he will be) he'll still likely be an improvement over guys like Pelfrey and Capuano. With the new dimensions, theoretically Wright & Bay will be better as well.

Since $ is tight with the Mets, then I'd rather they just save it and have an eye towards the future. 10 million not spent today can be 10 million spent tomorrow, or better yet invested into the draft & International Amateur Free Agents.

Even if the Mets sign Reyes, Pujols, CJ Wilson and the team remains healthy & players play to their peak performance in positions they're not familiar with, it's at best an 88 win team. There just isn't anything available this winter to turn a 77 win team into a playoff team.

Fix the foundation before you move into the penthouse.
I see what you're saying but IMO, this team needs a shakeup, even if it makes them worse. Reality needs to smack them in the face (just like the playoff crashes) and if that means trading a player like Wright, then I'm fine with that.
On a side note, I was hoping Wally Backman would be the bench coach but he is in AAA. Otherwise, Collins and Backman as a tandem would bring fire to this team.

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I see what you're saying but IMO, this team needs a shakeup, even if it makes them worse. Reality needs to smack them in the face (just like the playoff crashes) and if that means trading a player like Wright, then I'm fine with that.
On a side note, I was hoping Wally Backman would be the bench coach but he is in AAA. Otherwise, Collins and Backman as a tandem would bring fire to this team.
I hear what your saying and trust me in a perfect world I'd love for the Mets to have the ability to make any of those moves. The sad thing is that I have bigger budget for lunch tomorrow than the Mets do for free agency.

As of now (hopefully until Madoff trial is over) the Mets are essentially a small market team. It's pretty pathetic the Wilpon's refuse to relinquish ownership of this team is going to force this franchise to remain bottom dwellers for quite some time. I really hope Selig would step in but Fred Wilpon is part of the old boys club of owners and it would take a lot more crap to force his hand.

Right now as for free agents this team is essentially the Islander and looking for Parenteau/Moulson/Grabner type catching lightning in a bottle players. It sucks but it is what it is..

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Ok got some more info on the money situation:
The mets supposedly have 30 million to spend payroll wise. If the mets tender pagan at 6 mil and palfrey at 5 mil then the what's left is about 19 mil. If the Mets decide to re-sign Cappy and Hairston, that will probably coat about 3-4 mil, so we will leave it at 15-16 mil. Then, considering the other free agents are released, we will have enough money to sign a John Danks or a Doumit or something along those lines.
We are screwed.....

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I see what you're saying but IMO, this team needs a shakeup, even if it makes them worse. Reality needs to smack them in the face (just like the playoff crashes) and if that means trading a player like Wright, then I'm fine with that.
On a side note, I was hoping Wally Backman would be the bench coach but he is in AAA. Otherwise, Collins and Backman as a tandem would bring fire to this team.
I don't even think the organization has delusions of grandeur though. I think they know they're .500 team at best.

Under Minaya they'd put out this team (like they did in 2010) and say that they expect to contend for the playoffs.

If they're going to trade Wright, they should give him at least half a year to see how he does in the new park. If he goes back to being his old self, then he can fetch a hefty price in a trade. Right now, teams would only line up to get him because they feel they can get him on the cheap.

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lookin sharp fellas

I LOVE the new/old jerseys. That grey with the blue hat is just incredible. one of the best looks in baseball. Thrilled they brought it back after all these years.

Blue/Black hat is gone. The all black jersey with the black hat will be worn as an alternate on the road only.

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If they're going to trade Wright, they should give him at least half a year to see how he does in the new park. If he goes back to being his old self, then he can fetch a hefty price in a trade. Right now, teams would only line up to get him because they feel they can get him on the cheap.
To get best value on trading Wright would be to trade him next offseason. He has a clause in his contract that allows him to void the option year (2012) if he is traded to another team and become a free agent. Hopefully aided with the new dimensions David has a bounce back year, I would prefer if he is not traded and signed an extension but he'll probably end up getting traded.


I highly doubt that this is the final offer Reyes gets but if he ends up signing the 6yr/$90 mil deal that has been reportedly offered that's pathetic if the Mets let him walk over that. I'm completely fine with letting Reyes walk if some team gives him a ridiculous contract and even though that offer is one year more than I'm comfortable giving, the Mets have to be able to match that.

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I'd rather they go 5/100 then 6/90

Truthfully I'm wary about giving him 5 years, but I know he won't sign for anything less.

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