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10-15-2011, 10:48 PM
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Newbury fits the mold for a 4th line player better than Zuccarello.

I think he'll fare better in that position.

Not sure how much of an impact he'll make, though. We need the 2nd and 3rd lines to show up and less penalties more than anything.

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10-15-2011, 11:02 PM
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Good, I like Newbury - Nothing against Zucc - hes not going to get any top 2 minutes so why have him here when a guy like Newbury can help the team, albeit with limited minutes.

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10-15-2011, 11:07 PM
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The right thing right now I think.
How many more games with the Rangers before he has to be put on waviers to be sent down again? 15 or so?

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10-15-2011, 11:10 PM
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Is Newbury going to score a bunch of goals playing 5 minutes a night at even strength? I seriously doubt it. He might help on the penalty kill though.

Zuccarello can't help the Rangers unless the organization is willing to let him play
12+ minutes a night.

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10-15-2011, 11:22 PM
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The right thing right now I think.
How many more games with the Rangers before he has to be put on waviers to be sent down again? 15 or so?
It's 30 days or 10 games played, whichever comes first. But, I don't know if Newbury has been down too long for that to be in play. Doesn't really matter--he's not going to get enough ice time to really show much and he's already been through waivers a number of times. If he does really well (and is not needed) he'll get traded.

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10-15-2011, 11:37 PM
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What a surprise! Not! MZA is not an NHL player, simple as that. Just another overhyped, board favorite. Back to the SEL, I called it over the summer.

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10-15-2011, 11:40 PM
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Zuccarello is a prime candidate to get traded. He's never going to get a consistent spot in our top-6 and he can't be effective in a bottom 6 role. He might still have some value for a team looking to take a gamble on adding some offense. Package him for a draft pick or a D-man.

Nothing against Zucc but it's just not going to happen for him with the way this team is set up.

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10-15-2011, 11:51 PM
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Hey it all about Torts ok.

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10-15-2011, 11:56 PM
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Now would be the ideal time to trade for a guy like Cody Franson.

And also build a new 4th line before this season gets out of hand.

Stepan. Richards. Gaborik
Dubinsky. Anisimov. Callahan
Fedotenko. Boyle. Prust
Rupp. Newbury. Hagelin

McDonagh. Girardi
Del Zotto. Sauer
Erixon. Franson

Could call up Avery, its an option.

Stepan. Richards. Gaborik
Dubinsky. Anisimov. Callahan
Fedotenko. Boyle. Prust
Rupp. Newbury. Avery

Use Wolski, Christensen, and Zuccarello as trade fodder and put some value in there like a mid-level prospect and a middle round pick for Franson.

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10-16-2011, 12:05 AM
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Now would be the ideal time to trade for a guy like Cody Franson.

And also build a new 4th line before this season gets out of hand.

Stepan. Richards. Gaborik
Dubinsky. Anisimov. Callahan
Fedotenko. Boyle. Prust
Rupp. Newbury. Hagelin

McDonagh. Girardi
Del Zotto. Sauer
Erixon. Franson

Could call up Avery, its an option.

Stepan. Richards. Gaborik
Dubinsky. Anisimov. Callahan
Fedotenko. Boyle. Prust
Rupp. Newbury. Avery

Use Wolski, Christensen, and Zuccarello as trade fodder and put some value in there like a mid-level prospect and a middle round pick for Franson.
You've really been high on him lately.

What type of player is he?

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10-16-2011, 12:23 AM
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You've really been high on him lately.

What type of player is he?
He played for a solid Nashville team. He put up 29 points, and a +10. While logging about 15+ ATOI.

Two way player. Solid defensively. Big shot from the point.

24 years old. Is easily a top four guy.

Right handed shot.

Good size.

Kid would fit in here and instantly improve the sans Staal defense corp.

Heck of a lot better then Eminger and Woywitka, that's for sure.

He could be a viable long term piece.

He was rotting away in Toronto, and he's unhappy there in his situation.

They should make this deal. Its a no-brainer. It couldn't take a lot to get him, because they've had him scratched before tonight.

He played tonight. 18 mins, assist.

If he's played himself back into the lineup, we missed out.

I haven't seen as much of him as others. Only started looking into him during camp. But like what I've seen from researching.

Kid could really help this team, IMO. More then he can the Leafs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBLcM...e_gdata_player

Really like this player a lot.

He has a physical edge, too.


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10-16-2011, 12:25 AM
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Now would be the ideal time to trade for a guy like Cody Franson.

And also build a new 4th line before this season gets out of hand.

Stepan. Richards. Gaborik
Dubinsky. Anisimov. Callahan
Fedotenko. Boyle. Prust
Rupp. Newbury. Hagelin

McDonagh. Girardi
Del Zotto. Sauer
Erixon. Franson

Could call up Avery, its an option.

Stepan. Richards. Gaborik
Dubinsky. Anisimov. Callahan
Fedotenko. Boyle. Prust
Rupp. Newbury. Avery

Use Wolski, Christensen, and Zuccarello as trade fodder and put some value in there like a mid-level prospect and a middle round pick for Franson.
Can't call up Avery... No more dead $... We already have 3m for drury

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10-16-2011, 12:39 AM
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I hope we end up trading Mats. This guy's got more skill than half the team..such a treat to watch. Shame he doesnt fit in with our system

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10-16-2011, 12:39 AM
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demote mza AND christensen, call up avery and newbury to be scratched. should be able to keep below the cap that way.

everybody on this forum flipped out over how great mats looked in preseason. he was nearly invisible in the first 4 games (the north america games) and was much better on olympic ice because he wasn't getting hit and was playing against teams from SWITZERLAND, THE CZECH REPUBLIC, SLOVAKIA, and SWEDEN.

great, a guy who was invisible at the end of last season and couldn't make the post-season roster can score goals on the bigger ice against teams who are literally not even in our league. teams that play in front of 6,000 people every night because they simply shouldn't even be on the ice with the rangers.

this kid has talent, but not superior talent. he works hard but working hard doesn't mean a thing if you weigh 140 pounds. he has the body of a 16 year old. NHL defensemen can shove him around.

at the end of the day, zucarello will not be an nhl "star", or anything more than a marginal player. he'll be great if he goes back to europe but will amount to nothing in the united states. i've 100% given up hope that he can make it here.

and if you really want proof that torts has an issue with avery, look at the guy they call up. not only is avery not the 13th forward, he's not even the 14th. avery has a hell of a lot more talent than newbury has ever displayed and plays the game a lot better than newbury ever has. i'm fine with newbury logging 5 minutes in occasional games but he is NOT an nhl player.

**to avoid double posting**
check out what these lines would look like if you promote avery and demote christensen now...

stepan-richards-gaborik
dubinsky-anisimov-callahan
fedotenko-boyle-prust
avery-rupp-wolski/newbury
wolski/newbury


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10-16-2011, 12:59 AM
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poor Zuke, honestly they may as well move him for a Dman like a Franson if they are not going to play him.

if Wolski was healthy he would be on the first line to start and Stepan would be the 3rd line C

with Newbury up yea I understand how he fits with Rupp on the 4th line but whatis Wolski going to be on that line? ugh

btw I think we could get Gunnarson for Zuke too. He has value

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10-16-2011, 01:19 AM
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MZA needs top minutes, playing 5 minutes a night with Rupp and EC aren't going to help him develop nor make him look like a superstar. Torts has not been using him correctly, the fact he isn't getting any PP time or he didn't even try and play him with Anisimov and Callahan when that line was awful all night shows either Torts has no confidence in him or he just plain old forgot about him

Newbury besides providing grit (which we all know and expect) is good on faceoffs and can kill penalties, some have suggested Dubi and Cally were gassed from all the PKing. I am not into that excuse as we are 3 games in, but hey now they don't have to kill as many penalties as we can roll
Boyle-Prust
Newbury-Stepan
Anisimov-Fedotenko
and throw out Dubi-Cally... so plenty of PK options

My only problem with this move is Newbury takes a ton of penalties, Hollweg and Avery style, which is something this team cannot afford right now. He better play smart hockey if he intends to stay and get some icetime.

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10-16-2011, 01:22 AM
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To be honest, I don't see Mats in the NHL. His passing is good(you guys overrate it badly), but his shot and skating are horrible.

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10-16-2011, 01:25 AM
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If they are looking for players to play Torts system we are going to be seeing Hagelin and/or Bourque by seasons end........not complaining cause I think they both can make the team soon

at this pt Zuke. Wolski, EC are all odd men out

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10-16-2011, 01:54 AM
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Feel sorry for Zuccarello. I feel he hasnīt got the chance to prove himself. In the 3 first games he has logged a total of 25 minutes, and based on that people say he sucks!!?
This was obviously the last we have seen from him in the Rangersī jersey. My guess is that we will see him in Sweden soon.

He proved last season that he can handle NHL, but it is obvious that he doesnīt fit in Tortorellas dump-and-chase-and-grind type of play.

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10-16-2011, 02:29 AM
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Feel sorry for Zuccarello. I feel he hasnīt got the chance to prove himself. In the 3 first games he has logged a total of 25 minutes, and based on that people say he sucks!!?
This was obviously the last we have seen from him in the Rangersī jersey. My guess is that we will see him in Sweden soon.

He proved last season that he can handle NHL, but it is obvious that he doesnīt fit in Tortorellas dump-and-chase-and-grind type of play.
Unbelievable that Broadway accept this kind of hockey, its zero entertainment.. its stone age hockey, might aswell dress up a bunch of pitbulls and throw them out there.
Trade him NOW.

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This is just the first of many jo jo movements we expected this season..

He's the kind of player that has to make a mark his first 2-3 shifts or he's invinsible for the rest of the game....


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10-16-2011, 05:22 AM
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I personally think it would be a major feck up, if he's traded or given up on. He's one of those players given time and a bit of patience, he can be class.

We'll see how things develop. But I have a feeling a fair amount of people will be swearing the day he was sent down.

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I personally think it would be a major feck up, if he's traded or given up on. He's one of those players given time and a bit of patience, he can be class.

We'll see how things develop. But I have a feeling a fair amount of people will be swearing the day he was sent down.
His not a fit in Torts dump and chase system.

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Zuccarello has to play left wing. He will not play ahead of Gaborik, Callahan or Prust on the right. Prust is the third line winger. Newbury will be on the right. Hope Newbury can kill penalties really good. Christensen Newbury is another PK unit.

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everybody on this forum flipped out over how great mats looked in preseason. he was nearly invisible in the first 4 games (the north america games) and was much better on olympic ice because he wasn't getting hit and was playing against teams from SWITZERLAND, THE CZECH REPUBLIC, SLOVAKIA, and SWEDEN.
You do realize that the Olympic games was played on NHL sized rinks?

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