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10-16-2011, 10:42 AM
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I wouldn't say "not very good" - I would say "not good enough at this level to overcome the major handicap that is his stature."
Its all relative. Youre either good enough to be a top 6 NHL player, or you're not.

But thats a much fairer assessment than the ridiculous notion that Tortorella should reward him with MORE icetime for being ineffective and overmatched.

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10-16-2011, 10:45 AM
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Been saying this from day 1. It made no sense MZA making this team to start because there was no top 6 role for him. It's such an obvious idiotic move to make as a coach, especially when you consider Torts KNOWS he's not going to play his 4th line.

Congrats MZA, you were put in a position to fail. And you did.

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10-16-2011, 10:47 AM
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Why is Tortorella getting killed over the handling of Zuccarello?

The cold, hard truth is that MZA is just not very good.
MZA might not be very good, but putting a player whose only attributes are offensive skill and playmaking in a 4th line role where he gets 7 minutes a night is one of the stupidest things ever. Torts deserves to get killed for that.

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10-16-2011, 10:59 AM
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But Hagelin is in Hartford. I think your top 3 lines is going to be what we see in the short term, and what does that leave us with? A mismash of leftover parts with no identity? How does one utilize a 4th line that consists of Rupp, Newbury, Christensen, and Wolski? Is it going to generate offense and get something out of Wolski? Is it going to be a grind it out line that gets something out of Rupp? To me, it looks like a jumble of leftover parts with no identity.
The fact that the 4th line has to look like that means there are still roster construction issues on this team. I've maintained all along that Wolski and EC are not consistent enough to play in the top 6, yet are not suited for the bottom 6 either. They really don't have defined roles on this team, so as long as they are around, it's going to be like shoving square pegs into round holes. Not too mention that it's a lot of cap space for a 4th line to take up considering they don't play that much... but that's been a hallmark of this team in recent years, with players such as Drury, Avery, and Kotalik playing 4th line minutes.

In an ideal world, a 4th line should consist of a shutdown center/faceoff specialist with two physical wings that are defensively responsible and can score the odd goal here and there. Rupp fits that role, and to a lesser extent, Newbury, but with EC and Wolski in there, it's a mismatched line.

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10-16-2011, 11:04 AM
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Yakupov had another 3 point night.

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10-16-2011, 11:33 AM
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You do realize that the Olympic games was played on NHL sized rinks?
yeah for the first time ever..every international tournament before and after the last olympics was played on the bigger ice.

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10-16-2011, 11:55 AM
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Too bad, Zucca is a great player..

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10-16-2011, 11:58 AM
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Getting tired of the "Zuccarello is misunderstood and not utilized properly" mentality employed by so many here. When Zuccarello plays well he good ice time. No one is going to be babied or get handed ice time on this team. Why is that still not clear to anyone here?

Do you think Tortarella really just has it out for Zuccarello and stiffs him ice-time wise while he has players he likes like Stepan and Prust take the ice time Zucc could get? NO, those guys are outplaying him, plain and simple.

He has some talent, yes, and heart, but if he's not producing and he's not playing well he hasn't done ANYTHING to make him immune from being sent down.

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10-16-2011, 11:59 AM
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MZA might not be very good, but putting a player whose only attributes are offensive skill and playmaking in a 4th line role where he gets 7 minutes a night is one of the stupidest things ever. Torts deserves to get killed for that.
Zucc did not start the season on the 4th line, he quickly played himself off of a top 9 line.

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10-16-2011, 12:00 PM
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I wouldn't say "not very good" - I would say "not good enough at this level to overcome the major handicap that is his stature."
BINGO!!!!!

A similar player was Theor Fleury........Theo was skilled enough to overcome his size issue and produced.......period. MZA just doesnt have the same skill set. It was en experiment with litle down side. After this year, MZA will be gone.

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10-16-2011, 12:03 PM
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Yes, he did have a bad game.
I saw you say this in your blog as well and have to respectfully disagree. I thought he was on of the Whale's strongest defenseman, and thought the way Gernander used him, particularly late in the game, supported that feeling. Yes, he took a an untimely penalty early, but as we know, that's been an epidemic on the team thus far this season. I also thought saying "he kicked in an own goal" was a bit misleading. Bell was trying to pull his skate out of the way when the puck went off him. (I watched the replay three times this morning to try to see anything that suggests some sort of ill-advised kicking motion, and just don't see it.) It's a fast game, and sometimes pucks go in off d-men. Dan Girardi was famous for that for a stretch. I don't necessarily see an own goal as an indicator of bad play, especially in this case where he was actively trying to get out of the way. Sometimes, it's just bad luck.

And sure he was frustrated at the end. I'd hope everyone on the team was after pissing away another two-goal lead and spending half the night in the penalty box.

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10-16-2011, 12:05 PM
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Zucc did not start the season on the 4th line, he quickly played himself off of a top 9 line.
Gonna have to disagree. Zuccarello started with Stepan and Rupp. The first game of the season he played 9:54. The second game, 7:28, and yesteday 7:55. He has not played in the top 9 this season. He has been relegated to the 4th line from the very beginning--behind Boyle's line.

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10-16-2011, 12:08 PM
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Been saying this from day 1. It made no sense MZA making this team to start because there was no top 6 role for him. It's such an obvious idiotic move to make as a coach, especially when you consider Torts KNOWS he's not going to play his 4th line.

Congrats MZA, you were put in a position to fail. And you did.
He could have been put on the 3rd line and played 12-13 minutes a game with some PP time and done fine and easily put up his 40 points again.

But Torts didnt.

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10-16-2011, 12:21 PM
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He could have been put on the 3rd line and played 12-13 minutes a game with some PP time and done fine and easily put up his 40 points again.

But Torts didnt.
again its stupid. if Wolski was healthy he would be on the top line and Stepan Centres Zuke and Rupp

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10-16-2011, 12:23 PM
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Newbury getting called up makes too much sense. I liked his game from what i saw from him last season. We need what he brings to this team more so than what MZA does at this point.

I do feel though that MZA really isn't getting a chance to show us what he's got, but with him, it's offense or bust. that's not going to fly here if he doesn't score.

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10-16-2011, 12:39 PM
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I got a feeling MZA will be part of a trade for a solid defenseman. As you say there is currently no room for him among the top 6, it could be worth trading him because Rangers defense stinks. I can't believe how they could start the season with a blueline like this, a bunch of inexperienced kids. Yes Staal is injured, but even with him in lineup the defense remains weak in my opinion.

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10-16-2011, 12:53 PM
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This is ridiculous. What happened to our depth on defense

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10-16-2011, 01:01 PM
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reports in the offseason mentioned that Sather was after Burns. That could have meant that they were addressing the Staal issue, because they knew full well of his condition in the summer, or that they acknowledge that this team needs another top defenseman.

Shoenfeld said as much as 3 elite pieces were needed for the NYR to truly contend. Richards was one. A defense of the caliber of a Burns would be two.

Another flat out scorer would be three.

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10-16-2011, 01:02 PM
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again its stupid. if Wolski was healthy he would be on the top line and Stepan Centres Zuke and Rupp
And that is very stupid too. Avery would be a much better fit than Zuke in a line like that.
Zuke need top 6 or nothing at all. The way Torts had his lines set up (ww injured or not) I realy don`t get why Zuke got the job?

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And that is very stupid too. Avery would be a much better fit than Zuke in a line like that.
Zuke need top 6 or nothing at all. The way Torts had his lines set up (ww injured or not) I realy don`t get why Zuke got the job?
Clearly Sather has a different view of how the Rangers should play than Torts. Torts talks alot of skills and youth but he doesnt utilize skills. I`m sure there are several teams that would like to have Zucca on the roster.

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10-16-2011, 01:15 PM
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we'd be better with Avery and Zucc than rupp and newbury

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Clearly Sather has a different view of how the Rangers should play than Torts. Torts talks alot of skills and youth but he doesnt utilize skills. I`m sure there are several teams that would like to have Zucca on the roster.
Id fully expect him to put 65 points in detroit

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we'd be better with Avery and Zucc than rupp and newbury
in all of this what the heck do they do with Wolski. He is just like Zuke and needs top 6 minutes to produce.

at this pt the 4th line options are Wolski, Christensen, Rupp, Newbury

Honestly I would even consider moving Wolski, Zuccarello to Ottawa for Kuba and Konopka

Kuba stinks but he did well with Torts before and is a UFA.

4th line of Hagelin, Konopka, Rupp

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i really think zucc's days are numbered. how many times do we call him up and send him down? if he isnt going to stay on the club, trade him.

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i really think zucc's days are numbered. how many times do we call him up and send him down? if he isnt going to stay on the club, trade him.
Agreed. If you're going to put him on a line with Rupp and Christensen it's a waste. I disagree with the plan but obviously Torts wants us to run two checking lines (which I think is stupid given how streaky our top 6 can be and how anemic our offense can be as a whole.) If you're going to have a talented guy like MZA playing with scrubs, do something productive with him.

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