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10-15-2011, 01:51 PM
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What can MSG realistically do to improve the ice quality? IIRC one of the posters on here (I think it was Bobhop?) was saying that they plan to lay down a new foundation for the ice surface over the next summer or two... Will that help?
ha everyone thinks there is a magic way to fix it. there isnt. people need to realize and accept msg is a building for performances that houses a hockey team. it is not a hockey arena that houses performances. the rangers and their ice quality are unfortunately not the chief concern of that facility. i believe the floor was replaced this summer or it is going to be replaced next summer. i cannot remember for sure


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Interesting that last part.

I've seen local rinks that are a sand box basically, maybe that's why. So the ice bonds better at the bottom. I thought it was a little odd, but it makes sense.
concrete works fine as long as you clean and prep the surface properly. when i was in prudential last year for one of their installs the jetice guys were very critical of the floor prep at the rock. most rinks are concrete floors, others that are more cheaply made use sand bottom with a roll out pvc type pipping and cover that in more sand. then the sand is wet as the brine is pumped through piping. the sand freezes to make the base and then you build ice on top. its a design that is much cheaper to pay for a build but its really a huge mess when you remove the ice or if a skate digs into the sand. also there is no underfloor heat so throughout the season the frost line will build and raise making the energy costs to cool the sheet increase

the nhl uses this and some different take on the concept for its outdoor games. someone in calgary got the great idea to use foam and aluminum under it to save some of the sand mess... as soon as they brought the zam out the aluminum of coarse flexed from the weight and the ice cracked. in buffalo for the first game they made a similar mistake and had issues as well. concrete floors are the way to go

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What can MSG realistically do to improve the ice quality? IIRC one of the posters on here (I think it was Bobbop?) was saying that they plan to lay down a new foundation for the ice surface over the next summer or two... Will that help?
It should. I would guess the new ice plant (which will be smaller due to technological advances) will be closer to the actual surface. That will help. Also the existing floor looks to have been poured in 2' X 3" or 3" X 4" sections. You can clearly see this in photos where the floor was cleaned. I was in the New Boston Garden (I can't remember which bank has their name on it this week) when they were pouring the floor and the current technology is to pour one complete sheet of concrete rather than sections. Not sure why the original Garden was built that way but I guess it was appropriate for the time and building. It's actually gotten better through the years. At one game in the late 1970s, there was actually a small pylon placed on the ice just inside the 8th Ave. blueline during a game. No kidding.

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ha everyone thinks there is a magic way to fix it. there isnt. people need to realize and accept msg is a building for performances that houses a hockey team. it is not a hockey arena that houses performances. the rangers and their ice quality are unfortunately not the chief concern of that facility. i believe the floor was replaced this summer or it is going to be replaced next summer. i cannot remember for sure
Yea, that's true and unfortunate.

MSG III was built on the premise they could have a permanent tenant. And that tenant was the New York Rangers.

Some great info about this in Frank Boucher's book: When The Rangers Were Young.

Boxing was the main draw, but hockey was the main tenant and was a driving force for MSG.

Unfortunately, times have changed. And MSG IV is event driven and its most popular tenant is a basketball team.

Hopefully we turn this place into a hockey town again this winter.

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MSG Event tomorrow 6-8pm SEE THE NEW GARDEN.

STH rep just e-mailed me and let me know that they are having an event tomorrow to view the new construction before it opens. Tour the new concourses, new club areas, and the actual seats in the arena.

Meeting in front of the old Cosby's at 6pm. I can't make it, but anyone else who is going, TAKE LOTS OF PHOTOS.

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I didn't get an email from my rep, what gives!

What section are you? Maybe thats only for the lower bowl STHs?

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******* doctor's appointment.

They may not allow photos. If they don't, take this:


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They may not allow photos. If they don't, take this:

It's hard to stop people from snapping pictures with your cellphone. Just make it seem like your sending a message.

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****. Why only season ticket holders?

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I wasn't invited, and I'm a STH.

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Zip, you should just head over there if you have the time and take some pics. To me, you're the fan ambassador. **** if they never sent you an e-mail, just show up and get some pics!

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ha everyone thinks there is a magic way to fix it. there isnt. people need to realize and accept msg is a building for performances that houses a hockey team. it is not a hockey arena that houses performances. the rangers and their ice quality are unfortunately not the chief concern of that facility. i believe the floor was replaced this summer or it is going to be replaced next summer. i cannot remember for sure
My question is why are they replacing the floor? Do they feel it will improve the ice conditions? Is the current floor somehow contributing to the poor ice?

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It should. I would guess the new ice plant (which will be smaller due to technological advances) will be closer to the actual surface. That will help. Also the existing floor looks to have been poured in 2' X 3" or 3" X 4" sections. You can clearly see this in photos where the floor was cleaned. I was in the New Boston Garden (I can't remember which bank has their name on it this week) when they were pouring the floor and the current technology is to pour one complete sheet of concrete rather than sections. Not sure why the original Garden was built that way but I guess it was appropriate for the time and building. It's actually gotten better through the years. At one game in the late 1970s, there was actually a small pylon placed on the ice just inside the 8th Ave. blueline during a game. No kidding.
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My question is why are they replacing the floor? Do they feel it will improve the ice conditions? Is the current floor somehow contributing to the poor ice?
Its not the slab itself is the problem. its the chiller equipment connected to it that is out of date by now. Technology has advanced since the time it was installed.

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Its probably an invite to club STHs only. I guess they can't invite all 5,000 STHs or however many there are.

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Maybe it's being done in smaller groups. I can't see every STH being invited to one viewing.

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I didn't get an email from my rep, what gives!

What section are you? Maybe thats only for the lower bowl STHs?
Could very well be since it was the lower bowl that was pretty much redone this offseason.

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Could very well be since it was the lower bowl that was pretty much redone this offseason.
And the 300's behind the nets

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New Rangers Locker Room.
Now basically on par with most other locker rooms in the league, imo.

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Here's a video of Tortorella checking out the ice:


http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/1058-touring-new-msg

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