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10-18-2011, 11:22 AM
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it's right there in the post you quoted.
That's nothing though... Just tell us what's holding him back so we can have idea when he'll be back. This waiting game is getting annoying now.

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That's nothing though... Just tell us what's holding him back so we can have idea when he'll be back. This waiting game is getting annoying now.
Why should they bother, it's pretty obvious by the numerous posts in this thread that it wouldnt be enough anyway...

what you want them to do ? scan the Dr reports and post them on the net ?

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10-18-2011, 12:02 PM
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You know, I haven't started worrying about this Markov situation until now...and i'm not worried about the condition of his knee either. He's obviously going to resume playing at some point in the near future, whether that's in 2 weeks or 2 months matters little to me.

But the situation of him flying to Florida and now staying there for another week (Renaud Lavoie has added that it's also for personal reasons) seems very strange to me.

Doesn't seem right...
I get a weird feeling too...Reminds me too much of Koivu all those years ago...Bad memories.

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10-18-2011, 12:06 PM
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Why should they bother, it's pretty obvious by the numerous posts in this thread that it wouldnt be enough anyway...

what you want them to do ? scan the Dr reports and post them on the net ?
Did I say that? I just want them to tell us what the **** is holding him back. Is it just a bit of water in his knee? Did he actually re-injure it? Is it serious or not? Why the **** are they being so vague and secretive?

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Did I say that? I just want them to tell us what the **** is holding him back. Is it just a bit of water in his knee? Did he actually re-injure it? Is it serious or not? Why the **** are they being so vague and secretive?
Not sure but if it's worse then they thought, Habs management would get blasted for the signing saying they didn't do any homework and just awarded Markov a contract. Not sure I'm just saying maybe it's a reason the Habs aren't saying anything

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It's not like it's just the Habs. The Pens are doing the same dance with Malkin and his knee.

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PG sweating bullets over this as the media has given him a free pass on the Markov signing, by-and-large. You can be sure he'll catch heat if it lingers into mid-November and there'll be real trouble if it goes longer than that.... rightly so.

PG is a rebel. Experience on D? meh... who needs it.... Halak is better than Price... screw that, Price is my guy. He is a confident guy and he makes his own decisions (often in the face of conventional wisdome). He is out on a limb with our d and I, for one, hope he is as right as he is confident.

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Is Markov's salary counted on our salary cap ? Does Markov have the status IR (injury-reserved) or something else (ex: long-term disability) ?

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Did I say that? I just want them to tell us what the **** is holding him back. Is it just a bit of water in his knee? Did he actually re-injure it? Is it serious or not? Why the **** are they being so vague and secretive?
what difference will it make...

he wont be on the ice for the next week, he'll be in Florida... wether it's for personnal reasons or health wont change that.

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Is Markov's salary counted on our salary cap ? Does Markov have the status IR (injury-reserved) or something else (ex: long-term disability) ?
Yes his salary counts as of now. If he were not cleared by next week, i would expect the Habs to put him on LTIR.

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what difference will it make...

he wont be on the ice for the next week, he'll be in Florida... wether it's for personnal reasons or health wont change that.
this.

Im not a doctor, but I've been around sports injuries especially knee injuries, and there can be a lot of minor issues, not a re-torn ACL or anything, just "glitches" and they told us about the swelling in the knee so you can imagine they would have drained it, then tested it, and re-tested it

Habs put a lot of faith and money in Markov, they are probably being exploring every ache or pain he might feel to make sure he doesn't re-injure it

When he is back, he is back

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Is Markov's salary counted on our salary cap ? Does Markov have the status IR (injury-reserved) or something else (ex: long-term disability) ?
For now yes, but if they know he won't be back for a little longer, they can put him on IR retroactively, and we get the cap space he would have taken from the start of the season until then.

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For now yes, but if they know he won't be back for a little longer, they can put him on IR retroactively, and we get the cap space he would have taken from the start of the season until then.
LTIR...IR you don;t get any cap credit for the injury time.

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For now yes, but if they know he won't be back for a little longer, they can put him on IR retroactively, and we get the cap space he would have taken from the start of the season until then.
This doesn't quite make sense. He should continue on the IR from last year, like with Crosby. I heard McGuire explaining that because Crosby was on it last year, and simply re-confirmed to it this season, the usual minimum time he had to be out etc. doesn't count. Maybe that's what happens when they do it retroactively. Regardless, it's hard to believe they'd have his salary counting against the cap when he's been out so long.

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I'm sure the Habs would love to come out and say... Markov will play his first game against team X on November XX, 2011.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. All they can talk in is generalities, not in exact dates of return, until its actually time to return.

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This doesn't quite make sense. He should continue on the IR from last year, like with Crosby. I heard McGuire explaining that because Crosby was on it last year, and simply re-confirmed to it this season, the usual minimum time he had to be out etc. doesn't count. Maybe that's what happens when they do it retroactively. Regardless, it's hard to believe they'd have his salary counting against the cap when he's been out so long.
It always counts against the cap, even when you are on IR. How LTIR works is that it allows you to go above the cap by (Amount of cap hit remaining for the year - amount you are already under the cap).

However you need to get back under the cap the moment Markov returns.

So this means that the space is really only good for callups, unless Markov is gone for the whole season. If he was gone for the whole season, we could use it like we did with Wiz last year, but as long as he's expected back, you can't use the space, because you'll have to move out the same cap space when he returns.


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You know, I haven't started worrying about this Markov situation until now...and i'm not worried about the condition of his knee either. He's obviously going to resume playing at some point in the near future, whether that's in 2 weeks or 2 months matters little to me.

But the situation of him flying to Florida and now staying there for another week (Renaud Lavoie has added that it's also for personal reasons) seems very strange to me.

Doesn't seem right...
Me too, I'm not about to panic, but I will say that this at least peaks my curiosity.

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LTIR...IR you don;t get any cap credit for the injury time.
This, the only cap space benefit we will receive is from the point Markov is placed on LTIR and beyond. We get nothing up until that point.

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Him spending a week in Florida is a good thing. Florida is such a beautiful sunny state. Being in such a place during an injury is great for your mental health. It'll help rejuvinate him getting away.

The sun is powerful, it can have positive affects on you. You guys need to think about the positives in situations instead of always looking for the negative. Dr Mulder isn't a knee specialist, having Dr Andrews check him out a few days apart will give him a much better prognosis and evalutation of where he's truly at.

That is a good thing imo.

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The reason they aren't giving an exact timeframe or diagnosis is in my opinion because they aren't 100% sure themselves. It's better to say that things are going according to plan instead of providing the public a date and diagnosis only to face another setback and look incompetent.

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Me too, I'm not about to panic, but I will say that this at least peaks my curiosity.
Like I said...i'm not worried about his knee. It doesn't matter to me personally when he's back, whether that's 2 weeks from now, or 2 months, as long as he's back and his knee is 100% ready to go (which even then, doesn't guarantee any other future set back or re-injury).

But I find the trip to Florida and consequent stay there, very peculiar...i'm not going to start throwing out cover-up theories, but it's made me a bit curious, like you put it.

Either way, i just want to see the guy on the ice again...I love watching Markov play.

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According to TSN, JM says Markov will definitely not be back in October. Said to miss at least 11 more games.

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[QUOTE=417;38101787]Like I said...i'm not worried about his knee. It doesn't matter to me personally when he's back, whether that's 2 weeks from now, or 2 months, as long as he's back and his knee is 100% ready to go (which even then, doesn't guarantee any other future set back or re-injury).

But I find the trip to Florida and consequent stay there, very peculiar...i'm not going to start throwing out cover-up theories, but it's made me a bit curious, like you put it.

Either way, i just want to see the guy on the ice again...I love watching Markov play.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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According to TSN, JM says Markov will definitely not be back in October. Said to miss at least 11 more games.
They meant he will be out for at least the first 11 games of the season.

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This, the only cap space benefit we will receive is from the point Markov is placed on LTIR and beyond. We get nothing up until that point.
LTIR can be backdated, the reason teams wait to put players on is I think they have to miss a minimum of like 24 days or 10 games.

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According to TSN, JM says Markov will definitely not be back in October. Said to miss at least 11 more games.
Considering there are only 13 days left in October that doesn't mean he will be out long.

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