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10-18-2011, 04:29 PM
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LTIR can be backdated, the reason teams wait to put players on is I think they have to miss a minimum of like 24 days or 10 games.

(d) Bona-Fide Long-TermInjury/Illness Exception to the Upper Limit. In the event that a Player on a Club becomes unfit to play (i.e., is injured, ill or disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player) such that the Club's physician believes, in his or her opinion, that the Player, owing to either an injury or an illness, will be unfit to play for at least (i) twenty-four (24) calendar days and (ii) ten (10) NHL Regular Season games, and such Club desires to replace such Player, the Club may add an additional Player or Players to its Active Roster, and the replacement Player Salary and Bonuses of such additional Player(s) may increase the Club's Averaged Club Salary to an amount up to and exceeding the Upper Limit, solely as, and to the extent and for the duration, set forth below. If, however, the League wishes to challenge the determination of a Club physician that a Player is unfit to play for purposes of the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception, the League and the NHLPA shall promptly confer and jointly select a neutral physician, who shall review the Club physician's determination regarding the Player's fitness to play.
Yes, it doesn't say anywhere in there that I have read that the cap space itself can be back dated.

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10-18-2011, 04:34 PM
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I am kinda okay with Spacek being a few weeks away, it's giving us a nice amount of time to evaluate the 3 young guys in Emelin, Diaz and Weber. They say everything happens for a reason...

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LTIR can be backdated, the reason teams wait to put players on is I think they have to miss a minimum of like 24 days or 10 games.

(d) Bona-Fide Long-TermInjury/Illness Exception to the Upper Limit. In the event that a Player on a Club becomes unfit to play (i.e., is injured, ill or disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player) such that the Club's physician believes, in his or her opinion, that the Player, owing to either an injury or an illness, will be unfit to play for at least (i) twenty-four (24) calendar days and (ii) ten (10) NHL Regular Season games, and such Club desires to replace such Player, the Club may add an additional Player or Players to its Active Roster, and the replacement Player Salary and Bonuses of such additional Player(s) may increase the Club's Averaged Club Salary to an amount up to and exceeding the Upper Limit, solely as, and to the extent and for the duration, set forth below. If, however, the League wishes to challenge the determination of a Club physician that a Player is unfit to play for purposes of the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception, the League and the NHLPA shall promptly confer and jointly select a neutral physician, who shall review the Club physician's determination regarding the Player's fitness to play.
It doesn't really matter though, because ltir only becomes a useful tool when the player misses the entire remainder of the season.

We won't acquire a guy tomorrow only to trade him when markov returns.

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10-18-2011, 05:01 PM
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Considering there are only 13 days left in October that doesn't mean he will be out long.
In fact, I just heard the Martin interview and that's exactly what he said.

He said it's almost the end of October and that Markov wouldn't be back before the end of the month.

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10-18-2011, 06:03 PM
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Interesting interview of Le Téléjournal on Radio-Canada with a specialist of knee surgery. He basically said that Markov's rehabilitation is totally normal, it takes in general at least a year to be able to play and more to be at his best.

Being in Florida near his surgeon is always best in his opinion. He thinks the reason why he got reinjured is because he rushed his comeback. To have total strength in his knee after an ACL surgery, you need 6-8 months...

Finally, he said he doesn't foresee Markov's return before christmas... if he returns before, he says pray that he doesn't get re-injured. Also, apprently 1/3 of all players who have a second ACL surgery aren't able to play again and the strength of the ACL is only 70% of its original strength.

Concerning to say the least... but, I'd say it's good news if people are afraid he had a setback.

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10-18-2011, 06:04 PM
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RDS is reporting that we wont see Markov play in October.

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Joe Stejkal

Got hit from behind head first into glass laid motionless on ice and stretcher took him off ice.

Mitch Callahan received a d minute major and ejection.

Happened at 9:50 of the first.

Get well soon #6

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Got hit from behind head first into glass laid motionless on ice and stretcher took him off ice.

Mitch Callahan received a d minute major and ejection.

Happened at 9:50 of the first.

Get well soon #6

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I don't got video I'm at the game. There is also two Sabres scouts an aisle over

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I don't got video I'm at the game. There is also two Sabres scouts an aisle over
He never moved all this time? Not even a hand wave?

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He's their announcer I think. Happy he's "alright".

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John Lu and TSN said Markov back in November

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He's their announcer I think. Happy he's "alright".
Good to hear he's okay. He's a guy I think could have a solid NHL career.

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Interesting interview of Le Téléjournal on Radio-Canada with a specialist of knee surgery. He basically said that Markov's rehabilitation is totally normal, it takes in general at least a year to be able to play and more to be at his best.

Being in Florida near his surgeon is always best in his opinion. He thinks the reason why he got reinjured is because he rushed his comeback. To have total strength in his knee after an ACL surgery, you need 6-8 months...

Finally, he said he doesn't foresee Markov's return before christmas... if he returns before, he says pray that he doesn't get re-injured. Also, apprently 1/3 of all players who have a second ACL surgery aren't able to play again and the strength of the ACL is only 70% of its original strength.

Concerning to say the least... but, I'd say it's good news if people are afraid he had a setback.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing, but I have a question for anyone who can answer.. Had it not been 6-8 months already? I mean when did he have the surgery exactly?

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10-19-2011, 08:25 AM
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Very interesting. Thanks for sharing, but I have a question for anyone who can answer.. Had it not been 6-8 months already? I mean when did he have the surgery exactly?
Late November last year so almost 11 months.

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10-19-2011, 08:41 AM
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So, when Cammy is back, what do you think the line-up will be? Willhe be re-united with Gomez and Gionta? They were dominant when they first were together. Imagine if they were to get softer minutes than they were? They would absolutely murder the opposition 3rd and 4th line.

DD - Plek - Cole
Patches - Eller - AK
Cammy - Gomez - Gionta
Moen - Engvist - Darche

BTW, how is Madden signing with the Chicago Wolves when Engvist is centering the 4th line? He can't win a face-off, he isn't exactly phenomenal on the PK either.. -_-

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So, when Cammy is back, what do you think the line-up will be? Willhe be re-united with Gomez and Gionta? They were dominant when they first were together. Imagine if they were to get softer minutes than they were? They would absolutely murder the opposition 3rd and 4th line.

DD - Plek - Cole
Patches - Eller - AK
Cammy - Gomez - Gionta
Moen - Engvist - Darche

BTW, how is Madden signing with the Chicago Wolves when Engvist is centering the 4th line? He can't win a face-off, he isn't exactly phenomenal on the PK either.. -_-
Will not seperate DD and Patches.
So switch AK and DD

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Late November last year so almost 11 months.
Thanks CP. Perhaps the Dr was under the impression that Markov had his surgery during the summer? Either way, I'm glad to see them taking their time and doing the right thing by waiting it out and having him close to his doctor, to get the best possible for his rehab.

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Will not seperate DD and Patches.
So switch AK and DD
If DD is playing wing, I have no problem. I'm simply sick and tired of having DD playing sheltered minutes (9 offensive starts and 3 defensive starts and one that was from an icing) DD won't be able to play center in the NHL if he wants to have a long career. He simply isn't good enough defensively.

But, I would prefer having AK than DD, has he and Patches had great chemistry.

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BTW, how is Madden signing with the Chicago Wolves when Engvist is centering the 4th line? He can't win a face-off, he isn't exactly phenomenal on the PK either.. -_-
Comparing Engqvist to Halpern or Metropolit, is like comparing Gomez to Datsyuk. Suddenly I miss Halpern.

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So, when Cammy is back, what do you think the line-up will be? Willhe be re-united with Gomez and Gionta? They were dominant when they first were together. Imagine if they were to get softer minutes than they were? They would absolutely murder the opposition 3rd and 4th line.

DD - Plek - Cole
Patches - Eller - AK
Cammy - Gomez - Gionta
Moen - Engvist - Darche

BTW, how is Madden signing with the Chicago Wolves when Engvist is centering the 4th line? He can't win a face-off, he isn't exactly phenomenal on the PK either.. -_-
What is this obsession with Eller centering Max and A.K. ? It's working fine with DD. Don't fix it if it ain't broken.

But I would try a Cammy-Gomez-Cole line.

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Comparing Engqvist to Halpern or Metropolit, is like comparing Gomez to Datsyuk. Suddenly I miss Halpern.
I even miss Betts...

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second surgery rehabilitation goes up to 12 months. the first one is about 8 months.

he didn't have his ACL repaired, if i understand correctly, it's completely new cartilage. same thing gorges and wiz had done. in theory, your cartilage, given enough time to heal, should be stronger than before you first tore it.

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second surgery rehabilitation goes up to 12 months. the first one is about 8 months.

he didn't have his ACL repaired, if i understand correctly, it's completely new cartilage. same thing gorges and wiz had done. in theory, your cartilage, given enough time to heal, should be stronger than before you first tore it.
Gorges and Markov both had ACL replacement.

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It would be nice to have cammy tomorrow.

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