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10-17-2011, 09:09 AM
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What do you think of the goalie Timo Niemi? he's a good goalie too.

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10-17-2011, 10:56 AM
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What do you think of the goalie Timo Niemi? he's a good goalie too.
Niemi is a decent goalie, but he's not really in consideration for the WJC team. Being a backup in Mestis isn't really good for his developement, and he certainly should be playing somewhere.

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10-17-2011, 11:59 AM
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You folks can leave Moisio out of your line ups, he's going to be out action for 6 months due to knee surgery.

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10-17-2011, 02:32 PM
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Yeah, IFK didn't want him there.
Most teams don't want their star players participating to these tournaments, that's a given. Not much they can do about it though, if the player really wants to go.

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What do you think of the goalie Timo Niemi? he's a good goalie too.
Niemi seems like a pretty good goalie for his age, but he hasn't played a single game since pre-season because of a hip injury.

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10-17-2011, 02:44 PM
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You folks can leave Moisio out of your line ups, he's going to be out action for 6 months due to knee surgery.
ouch, was kinda hoping for a recking ball for the 4th line. Any other candidates?

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ouch, was kinda hoping for a recking ball for the 4th line. Any other candidates?
Same here. Åsten?

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10-18-2011, 05:43 PM
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You folks can leave Moisio out of your line ups, he's going to be out action for 6 months due to knee surgery.
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Partanen / X - Mi. Granlund - Armia
Donskoi - Barkov - Pulkkinen
Ma. Granlund - Salomäki - Partanen / X
Teräväinen - Aaltonen - Ruuttu


Again, I've tried to build four scoring lines. IIRC, Ruuttu and Teräväinen have played together at A-junior level, and should have chemistry. Both of them could play in the top9 as well. Hopefully Åsten plays against Jokerit, so I get so see him in action.

Henri Ikonen played his first game in SM-Liiga last night. Apparently he was pretty impressive at European Trophy. KalPa fans say that he could become as good as Teemu Hartikainen. If he continues to play well, could he compete for a spot? He has a pretty good frame (185cm/86kg) and better stats in recent years than Åsten.


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10-18-2011, 05:56 PM
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Why do people keep bringing up Partanen? He's done absolutely nothing in the CHL.

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Why do people keep bringing up Partanen? He's done absolutely nothing in the CHL.
Dynamic player with big frame, is familiar with the small rink and can contribute offensively. Obviously hasn't progressed in OHL as planned, but could be useful as a workhorse with more skillful players. Maybe Partanen-Granlund-Armia could click like Tuomainen-Koivu-Selänne back in the day

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Partanen / X - Mi. Granlund - Armia
Donskoi - Barkov - Pulkkinen
Ma. Granlund - Salomäki - Partanen / X
Teräväinen - Aaltonen - Ruuttu


Again, I've tried to build four scoring lines. IIRC, Ruuttu and Teräväinen have played together at A-junior level, and should have chemistry. Both of them could play in the top9 as well. Hopefully Åsten plays against Jokerit, so I get so see him in action.

Henri Ikonen played his first game in SM-Liiga last night. Apparently he was pretty impressive at European Trophy. KalPa fans say that he could become as good as Teemu Hartikainen. If he continues to play well, could he compete for a spot? He has a pretty good frame (185cm/86kg) and better stats in recent years than Åsten.
In my opinion, the concept of having four scoring lines just doesn't work. Maybe three could, but not four.

And I'm really against the idea of separating Mi. Granlund and Pulkkinen. They've had good chemistry in previous tournaments, and they both are elite players, whom would benefit from each other.

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10-19-2011, 12:56 AM
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In my opinion, the concept of having four scoring lines just doesn't work. Maybe three could, but not four.

And I'm really against the idea of separating Mi. Granlund and Pulkkinen. They've had good chemistry in previous tournaments, and they both are elite players, whom would benefit from each other.
Armia needs good linemates. We saw what happened last year. Åsten and maybe teräväinen should be on roster.

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10-19-2011, 04:19 AM
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In my opinion, the concept of having four scoring lines just doesn't work. Maybe three could, but not four.
This year we seem to have many small but skillful forwards and not enough good fourth line players. Yeah, you can put Ruuttu, Halinen and Åsten to the fourth line and build three very good scoring lines. But then you'd have to cut 1-2 skilled forwards, our top9 would lack "sandpaper" and Ruuttu's scoring potential would be wasted. And we shouldn't forget that the concept of using four scoring lines worked pretty well at the Olympics.

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10-19-2011, 07:23 AM
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[B]Partanen / X - Mi. Granlund - Armia
No chance that Partanen plays in first line. He has 3 assist in 8 games.

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Armia needs good linemates. We saw what happened last year. Åsten and maybe teräväinen should be on roster.
Agreed, Armia needs a good playmaker besides him, but does it have to be Mi. Granlund? Or could either Armia or Pulkkinen play as LW?

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No chance that Partanen plays in first line. He has 3 assist in 8 games.
One thing has nothing to do with the other. I've said many times why I have Partanen in the first line:

- Dynamic player with big frame, is familiar with the small rink and can contribute offensively.
- He could be useful as a workhorse with more skillful players (battles in corners, goes to the net etc)
- You can put two pylons on the ice with Mi. Granlund and they would score goals. (Granlund to Liivik)
- We will have good forwards in the bottom lines = scoring depth.

I see Partanen-Granlund-Armia as a traditional grinder-playmaker-sniper line. But it doesn't necessarily have to be Partanen. Guys like Henri Ikonen and Ruuttu could also bring some sandpaper to the first line.

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10-19-2011, 09:13 AM
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Agreed, Armia needs a good playmaker besides him, but does it have to be Mi. Granlund? Or could either Armia or Pulkkinen play as LW?
Pulkkinen sure as hell can't, he can't use his shot as well from the left wing and his wrister isn't as good/quick. If you must try them on the same line, Armia would be the better option due top having the better wrist shot. But who's going to defend in that line?

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10-20-2011, 08:44 AM
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Pulkkinen sure as hell can't, he can't use his shot as well from the left wing and his wrister isn't as good/quick. If you must try them on the same line, Armia would be the better option due top having the better wrist shot. But who's going to defend in that line?
Pulkkinen will play on left wing today, in the HIFK-Jokerit game, so we'll see how he does. Jani Rita moves up to the second line with Pulkkinen and Kerälä, and he's been doing alright at scoring goals, hence I'm somewhat concerned whether Pulu will rather shoot or pass. If I've understood correctly, Teemu seems to avoid shooting occasionally and just pass instead, since Janne Lahti has been able to do the banging in a not-that-bad fashion.

Granlund isn't bad defensively, but it is true that a line with two wingers who can't defend at all and a center who's only decent at it is going to let in a lot of goals in the own end too. When also taking in account the questionable and young D-core, a line like that would probably require sheer dominance in the offensive end.

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Joel Mustonen just scored his first Elitserien goal. He centres the 3rd line playing with two good Elitserien players, Oscar Möller and George Holloway. He's had problem with a back injury for a few years but is very talented.What are his chances taking a spot?

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Just scored his second goal of the night :0 And it's two periods left..

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Huh... Interesting. Until now I've been really sceptical about Mustonen. In his first 6 games he only played less than 2 min / game and didn't get that big menutes in SuperElit either. But if he's turning that around thats awesome

Edit: There's the highlights from Skellefteå's game
http://hockeyligan.se/elitserien-arena/37776/

Mustonen's first goal was a lucky bounce, but the second one was a beautiful snipe


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Just scored his second goal of the night :0 And it's two periods left..
Highlights in here (AIK-MoDo). He seems like a pretty dynamic player with good vision and decent hands. How much ice time he gets in Skellefteå? I cant find stats anywhere because my swedish sucks...

If he gets to play in Elitserien constantly the next couple of months and can scrore points, he should have a good chance. He could be a nice fit into the third line with Salomäki & MaG.

Partanen / H. Ikonen - Mi. Granlund - Armia
Donskoi - Barkov - Pulkkinen
Ma. Granlund - Salomäki - Mustonen
Teräväinen - Aaltonen - Ruuttu



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Huh... Interesting. Until now I've been really sceptical about Mustonen. In his first 6 games he only played less than 2 min / game and didn't get that big menutes in SuperElit either. But if he's turning that around thats awesome

Edit: There's the highlights from Skellefteå's game
http://hockeyligan.se/elitserien-arena/37776/

Mustonen's first goal was a lucky bounce, but the second one was a beautiful snipe
A previous poster said Mustonen played in the 3rd line, but the line with Möller & Holloway is actually the first line of Skellefteå. Previous games, Mustonen just played a few shifts in the 4th line, so tonight was Mustonen's 1st game with big minutes. He looked confident.
1st goal: extremely lucky goal...however really good work by Mustonen the whole shift, leading up to the goal
2nd goal: really nice wrist shot "i krysset" as we say in Sweden
He has also bulked up his body. Was listed 178cm/74kg last season but now he's 180cm/79kg.

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Highlights in here (AIK-MoDo). He seems like a pretty dynamic player with good vision and decent hands. How much ice time he gets in Skellefteå? I cant find stats anywhere because my swedish sucks...

If he gets to play in Elitserien constantly the next couple of months and can scrore points, he should have a good chance. He could be a nice fit into the third line with Salomäki & MaG.

Partanen / H. Ikonen - Mi. Granlund - Armia
Donskoi - Barkov - Pulkkinen
Ma. Granlund - Salomäki - Mustonen
Teräväinen - Aaltonen - Ruuttu


He had 10:46 TOI tonight. I wrote big minutes in my last post. Maybe not that big after all. He played 1st line 5-on-5, but he didnt play powerplay. I see you put him as winger, but he actually is center. However one thing he needs to improve, playing against men, is faceoffs. Probably works well as winger too.


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Great stuff! If he can keep up with playing regular minutes on Skellefteå he should be able to get a roster spot. That would be awesome.

Is he replacing an injured player or he's just played very well and earned it? And if you could what type of game does he play? Judging by the clips he looks pretty quick and a nice lazer of a wrister. Thanks for sharing the info, man!

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Great stuff! If he can keep up with playing regular minutes on Skellefteå he should be able to get a roster spot. That would be awesome.

Is he replacing an injured player or he's just played very well and earned it? And if you could what type of game does he play? Judging by the clips he looks pretty quick and a nice lazer of a wrister. Thanks for sharing the info, man!
He's replacing Oscar Lindberg who is NOT injured. Lindberg played great in last years JWC for Sweden, so Skellefteå coaches had great hopes for Lindberg and put him to center the 1st line with two new guys from AHL (Möller/Holloway) who were supposed to be the leading line. The line didnt produce as expected so after 12 games, Lindberg was benched tonight. Coach Forsberg said he wanted to give Mustonen a chance since he's been really good on the practices, and coach also said after the game that Mustonens way of playing is "icehockey pornography" ...and that he will keep this line the next game(s).

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