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10-20-2011, 09:34 PM
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Dawson City selects head coach Bob Berry.

- 384-355-121 career coaching record (NHL).

- creator of the Triple Crown line while in LA.

- never could amount to anything in the postseason, but I feel his 11-year tenure as a head coach in the NHL warrants selection here.
...decent. how many coaches are available with even 600 games and a .500+ record, let alone .800 games?

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He was definitely considered better than Nikolai Makarov in our books!
By the way, it wasn't meant as a snipe, but I did learn a lot about Kravchuk in relation to Byakin while writing that long post last week. One can say Byakin is better than Nikolai Makarov and as I touched on, they are far from contemporaries so that comparison can only be based on subjective and era-specific criteria. But Kravchuk can be compared to Byakin as they played with and against eachother, and are just three years apart in age. He is definitely better than Byakin, and I was ready to say as much when I selected him today or tomorrow. Here are the key points:

- His vaunted international GP total is much higher, 75 to 57 (this does not include super series as those are club games)
- Most importantly, his GP in best-on-best tournaments is infinitely higher, 22 to 0.
- Byakin's high water mark in the NHL was scoring 28 points in 44 games in 1994. Kravchuk was on that team too, and averaged the same points per game, but did it for 80 games, and he was used in all situations that year, offensive and defensive, and was their #1 defenseman. Byakin was a #5 and PP specialist.
- Of course, the 1994 Oilers weren't any good, so being their #1 isn't that great (he was also their #1 in 1995). But the 1999 Ottawa Senators put Kravchuk on the ice more than any other player, and ended up with 103 points as a result. Kravchuk proved that he could be the #1 defenseman on a very good NHL team. (he was their #1 the year before as well, when they were .500 and took out the Devils)

I would have loved him as my #6, the 3rd pairing puck-carrying guy.


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10-20-2011, 11:42 PM
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to complete our 2nd line and add an incredible amount of speed.... Ken Mallen, RW

edit: yes, I did accidentally mention a different player at first. For some reason I always get their names mixed up.


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10-21-2011, 12:10 AM
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Mallen is a CENTER, and some rover. So any forward position is fine.

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to complete our 2nd line and add an incredible amount of speed.... Ken Mallen, RW
If he didn't have so much damn trouble controling the puck at high speed (I can dig up one of two historical sources on that if you'd like) I would've pushed for him to be higher on our depth chart. I would've taken him in the Double-A for sure or maybe as an extra skater.

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10-21-2011, 12:21 AM
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Ken Mallen, F



- Stanley Cup (1910)
- Stanley Cup Finalist (1915)
- 2nd in IHL Scoring (1905)
- 5th in PCHA Scoring (1914)

Ken Mallen is listed as a RW in The Trail, but I have seen him listed as LW elsewhere, plus based on the lines it says he played on it appeared he was also a C at least occasionally. He also played Rover.

In calculating percentage scores for pre-merger players, I compare to the #1 scorer in the league and do not take out any outliers. Based on this method, Mallen's best 5 percentage scores are 86, 67, 52, 38, and 34. A total of 277 for his best 5 years would make him the most prolific pre-expansion NHL winger, if he was in fact a pre-expansion NHL winger. I can't guarantee that this is a perfect comparison but my gut says it's pretty close.

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A series of speed races was held at Vancouver on January 14th. Ken Mallen won over Fred Taylor handily. Si Griffis was too fast for Ernie Johnson. Mallen won the trophy by defeating Griffis.
Those are some serious speed credentials!

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"On Wednesday at Morrisburg Kenny Mallen succumbed to an attack of double pneumonia, and thus passed the man who was rated by many as the fastest skater that hockey ever knew. He had worn the colors of numerous clubs, notably the Montreal Wanderers, Calumet, Toronto, Quebec, Renfrew, Ottawa, New Westminster, Vancouver, Seattle and Pittsburgh, but had never reached the heights as a (Howie) Morenz or a (King) Clancy because he could not control that puck in accordance with his phenomenal speed, nor could he combine with slower teammates. However, it was the worth the price of admission to see him "burn up that ice."

"The late Mr. Mallen's friends were legion. He always "played the game," and even in the days when hockey resembled a miniature war this fine sportsman took his bumps and did not retaliate. Kenny Mallen was a gentleman."
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10-21-2011, 12:25 AM
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Mallen is a CENTER, and some rover. So any forward position is fine.
no, the trail specifically states he was a RW on the Nighbor/McKay/Mallen line for Vancouver. He played with Oatman and McDonald too, so he was a LW for that line. He was Rover in Quebec behind Oatman/McDonald/Malone. With Calumet in the IHL he was a RW.

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If he didn't have so much damn trouble controling the puck at high speed (I can dig up one of two historical sources on that if you'd like) I would've pushed for him to be higher on our depth chart. I would've taken him in the Double-A for sure or maybe as an extra skater.
seriously, one documented flaw and you stay away? Are all your players flawless, then?

but yeah, I already knew about that. I understand that this is the 1531st player selected, so he's far from perfect.

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10-21-2011, 12:39 AM
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10-21-2011, 01:04 AM
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LW Ken Smith
good pick. a strong defensive lw who also happens to be among the better offensive wingers available.

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10-21-2011, 11:00 AM
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HC Davos selects LW "Hurricane" Harry Meeking



"Hurricane" Harry Meeking, the speedy left winger who scored the NHL's first-ever playoff hat trick on the first-ever NHL Stanley Cup championship winning team, in Toronto in 1918, and later became a two-time 2nd team PCHA all-star in 1922 and 1923 and played on the last ever non-NHL Stanley Cup winning team, in Victoria in 1925.

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I hate this guy but the Indians are selecting him anyway:

Stephane Matteau, LW


VI's previous profile should explain why:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=213

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10-21-2011, 11:04 AM
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C Andre Savard



482PTS in 790GP

Two-way player had one big offensive year but otherwise was generally a 40 point player. He also played on the PK and received a negligible amount of Selke votes one year. Only a minus player once in his career, -3 in his final season.

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Andre Savard, not known primarily as a goal-scorer, reached the 20-goal mark halfway through the season Sunday night with his first three-goal National Hockey League...Savard personally overcame a 1-0 Cleveland lead by scoring three times within a 6:26 span during the first period for a "pure" hat trick.

"He was always on a line to check," noted the Buffalo coach, who club acquired Savard for that purpose. "Now he's playing with one of the best goal scorers in the league (winger Rick Martin) and things rub off. That line is really going."
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10-21-2011, 11:09 AM
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I hate this guy but the Indians are selecting him anyway:

Stephane Matteau, LW


VI's previous profile should explain why:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=213
Had planned to pick him tomorrow, I hate him a lot as well. He's pretty solid defensively though.

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10-21-2011, 11:23 AM
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I'm pretty sure Sillinger is gone. I believe he was on Selfish Man's MLD roster.

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10-21-2011, 11:36 AM
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- Yep, Sillinger is gone.
- Love the Andre Savard pick at this point. Top-10 in career points among available guys but also solid defensively. Profiled him in the last A draft.
- TDMM, why do you hate Matteau?
- Meeking is the guy I always get mixed up with Mallen. He is not nearly as good offensively (peaked at 47% of top scorer, best 5 years total 222) but based on PIMs appeared scrappy, I had him down as a possible scoring line glue guy.


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10-21-2011, 12:03 PM
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Regina selects Lucien DeBlois, F. Depending on how today and tomorrow go, he will complete our 3rd line as the RW, or our 4th as the C.

- He mostly played RW but could play all three forward positions.
- with 535 points, he has the 5th-most among available players.
- with 432 ESP, he has THE most among available players.
- He killed 24% of penalties for his teams in his 993 game career.
- to find a player with lower PP usage than him (16%) or fewer PP points than him (79) you need to look all the way down to a guy with just 382 total points.
- to find a guy used more on the PK, you have to look down to a guy with 441 total points.
- Two seasons as Jets captain



DeBlois was a versatile forward who was a jack of all trades and master of none. He played 993 NHL games and scored 525 points, which appears to be 3rd among all undrafted players. Based on overpass' adjusted points, he would be 14th among all undrafteds. However, among the 13 who place ahead of him, none were on the ice for as high a percentage of PPGA as DeBlois (24%). And they all scored at least 38 more adjusted PP points than DeBlois. He is 6th in adjusted ESP among undrafteds.

And none of the players with comparable offensive longevity, were NHL captains. DeBlois was the Jets' captain for two seasons. For these reasons he is a valuable commodity - a guy who can fill in on the bottom two lines, provide an above average and consistent amount of bottom-6 offense, check the other team's best players, kill penalties and provide leadership. And he plays all three forward positions. What more can you ask for in the 158rd pick?

DeBlois wears his adjusted -115 like a badge of honour, as he was always the checking line center for pretty bad teams. He did still manage to get into 52 playoff games and win a cup with the 1986 Habs. He was 9th in TOI among forwards that year.

DeBlois enjoyed just one very good offensive season, scoring 79 points in 1983-84. He had 8 more seasons with between 30 and 54 points.

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DeBlois was drafted overall by the Rangers in 1977, a shrewd move in the eyes of then-GM John Ferguson: "We took DeBlois over Bossy, because we felt that Bossy didn't check enough for the NHL." True enough, perhaps, but no amount of checking from DeBlois could replace the guaranteed 50 goals from Mike Bossy... his was a career marked with resilience rather than a burst of greatness...
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sound offensive-styled RW who was wasted with Rangers... often was on 4th line when he was dressed at all... talent was never in question but Rangers were stocked at his position... had to be included in Barry Beck deal at Rockies' insistence... immediately installed on PP and did a fine job there... built like a square with wide shoulders and thick arms...
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consistent two-way player... scored 25 goals and was strong defensively... good penalty killer... strong along the boards and in corners... one of the game's best practical jokers.
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solid big league winger... good defensive player who often kills penalties...
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front-line NHL winger... good skater and defensive player who does heavy penalty killing load...
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a good skater, with good balance on his skates but not a whole lot of speed... he is more of a mucker up and down his wing than a rocket, and won't beat too many defensemen one on one... he controls the puck fairly well and is a good passer, but DeBlois is not exceedingly intelligent on the ice and doesn't have a great capacity for creativity... can score if he is left open... a tough hockey player, willing and able to hit in the corners and along the boards. He has good upper body strength, but has been prone to groin pulls and abdominal strains in the last few seasons... can hit hard and consistently... can hold his check out of the play if necessary, and he can check without drawing penalties, which means he plays hard, but clean...


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10-21-2011, 12:05 PM
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Good pick by TDMM with Matteau, he was going to be my pick today.

With him gone, I still need another player on my 4th line and I fill one of those holes with the selection of Right Winger Bill Collins:



Some stats on Collins:

- 91st All-Time in Short Handed Goals in the NHL
- 311 Points in 768 games
- 1 Top 10 Finish in Game Winning Goals

For more on Collins click the following link:

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Good pick by TDMM with Matteau, he was going to be my pick today.

With him gone, I still need another player on my 4th line and I fill one of those holes with the selection of Right Winger Bill Collins:



Some stats on Collins:

- 91st All-Time in Short Handed Goals in the NHL
- 311 Points in 768 games
- 1 Top 10 Finish in Game Winning Goals

For more on Collins click the following link:

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LOL, this is what I meant by "depending on how today and tomorrow go". Collins was my top choice for 3rd line RW, and I believe he is the best PK winger available.
Underrated ES scorer too. Allowed a lot of ES goals to end up with a poor , but I imagine he was in a very defensive role at ES and just wasn't above average at it (we are at below average #1-2 defensemen now, same with shutdown forwards)

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Collins was also 8th in career SHP among available players with 24.

Just a few days ago, Hannan, Smail, Wilson and Dvorak made up 4 of the top-5.

Overpass is in this thread.... always interested in his take on drafted players this far in.

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LOL, this is what I meant by "depending on how today and tomorrow go". Collins was my top choice for 3rd line RW, and I believe he is the best PK winger available.
Underrated ES scorer too. Allowed a lot of ES goals to end up with a poor , but I imagine he was in a very defensive role at ES and just wasn't above average at it (we are at below average #1-2 defensemen now, same with shutdown forwards)
Thanks for the compliments on Collins. As I said I was set on getting Matteau today but when he went I did research and came upon Collins. In hindsight Collins is the better pick and should do well on my 4th line. He has a negative plus minus rating but that comes from playing on bad teams IMO.

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Thanks for the compliments on Collins. As I said I was set on getting Matteau today but when he went I did research and came upon Collins. In hindsight Collins is the better pick and should do well on my 4th line. He has a negative plus minus rating but that comes from playing on bad teams IMO.
Maybe for you. We have our penalty killers all set and can really use Matteau's size and physicality.

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Maybe for you. We have our penalty killers all set and can really use Matteau's size and physicality.
Good clutch scorer too.

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The Philadelphia Sting select their 4th line center, a guy that gets judged solely on how bad his contract is, C Shawn Horcoff



His contract is bad, yes. Maybe the worst in the NHL. It doesn't mean he's not an effective player. He's scored over 50 points 4 times, and has been a leading PK man on the Oilers in the last 9 years. It's not his fault that the Oilers were dumb enough to throw a huge contract at him after a career year in PPG and think that was what his consistent production would be.

Here are his PK TOI finishes among forwards: 1*, 5, 1, 1, 4, 2, 3, 2, 6

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