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10-21-2011, 12:10 AM
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You and Read on this 4th line thing is getting crazy.
Where else would you put him? His skillset fits there, Hartnell's doesn't. It's pretty much between Read and Couturier. 4th line on this team shouldn't be a punishment, all 4 of these lines can roll big minutes at any point of the game.

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10-21-2011, 12:21 AM
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Where else would you put him? His skillset fits there, Hartnell's doesn't. It's pretty much between Read and Couturier. 4th line on this team shouldn't be a punishment, all 4 of these lines can roll big minutes at any point of the game.
I put him in the top 9, where he currently is producing points on the team. You dont go putting a guy on the 4th line when he's producing. I know he is a 25 yr old and doesnt have the pedagree that Schenn and Couturier have, but he is producing offensively for the team. You dont go taking that away because of the other rookies' draft position. Whether he deserves it or not, Read just played 21 minutes of icetime and was one of the few people on the team that didnt have a minus.

Honestly, Id go back to what worked and just try Schenn as the 4th line center for now.

EDIT: How does Hartnell's skillset (or lack off at the time) dont fit but Read's does? Honestly, Hartnell has been beyond horrible so far. Put him on the 4th line.


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10-21-2011, 12:29 AM
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I put him in the top 9, where he currently is producing points on the team. You dont go putting a guy on the 4th line when he's producing. I know he is a 25 yr old and doesnt have the pedagree that Schenn and Couturier have, but he is producing offensively for the team. You dont go taking that away because of the other rookies' draft position. Whether he deserves it or not, Read just played 21 minutes of icetime and was one of the few people on the team that didnt have a minus.

Honestly, Id go back to what worked and just try Schenn as the 4th line center for now.

EDIT: How does Hartnell's skillset (or lack off at the time) dont fit but Read's does? Honestly, Hartnell has been beyond horrible so far. Put him on the 4th line.
Because Read can play defense, and that works well with Talbot and Nodl. I actually think the 3 of them could work really well together. I'd be fine with putting Hartnell on the 4th line if he continues to fail next to Briere. Until then, someone's gotta bite the bullet. You have your reasons for Schenn/Couturier, and I have my reasons for Read. Not everyone's gonna be happy with Lavy's decisions.

Never knew having so many good players would be a problem

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10-21-2011, 12:33 AM
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Because Read can play defense, and that works well with Talbot and Nodl. I actually think the 3 of them could work really well together. I'd be fine with putting Hartnell on the 4th line if he continues to fail next to Briere. Until then, someone's gotta bite the bullet. You have your reasons for Schenn/Couturier, and I have my reasons for Read. Not everyone's gonna be happy with Lavy's decisions.

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It's not really reasons for just Schenn and Couturier. If Schenn was the one who has 6 points in 6 games, I'd say leave him in the top 9 for now. I said it last season when Nodl had the small run going (and Im not even a Nodl fan). I just believe in the, if your producing for the team, you get a chance to play (or in this case play on a higher line).

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10-21-2011, 12:44 AM
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It's not really reasons for just Schenn and Couturier. If Schenn was the one who has 6 points in 6 games, I'd say leave him in the top 9 for now. I said it last season when Nodl had the small run going (and Im not even a Nodl fan). I just believe in the, if your producing for the team, you get a chance to play (or in this case play on a higher line).
Ride the hot hand, which is fair enough...and Lavy may end up doing that. But again, we don't have a bad 4th line this season being brought down my Shelley (yet), they can play at any point of the game, so getting stuck down there shouldn't have as much of a negative connotation this year as it usually does.

Honestly as long as Shelley isn't playing and these 12 players are...I'm fine with whatever.

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10-21-2011, 03:27 AM
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4th line plays 5-8 minutes even strength on any given night. Read there does not make sense. Having said that, Hartnell gets no special teams and his TOI would just be even strength. His play has been poor though and probably deserves to be demoted.

Couturier looks great on both sides on the ice and I think could produce if he gets the chance.

JVR has 21 shots in 6 games vs the 70 in 11 playoff games. He is shooting less and not single-handedly generated chances like he did in the playoffs. At one point in the neutral zone instead of rushing down the boards and challenging the defender, he simply made a short pass to Jagr to take it into the zone.

I think Simmonds-Giroux-Jagr makes sense. They look good on the PP.

JVR-Briere-Read could be decent and might get JVR going. At least he would be leading the rush more often than on a line with Giroux and Jagr doing it more often.

Couturier-Schenn-Voracek/Hartnell-Talbot-Nodl
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Hartnell-Schenn-Voracek/Talbot-Couturier-Nodl is the question. Voracek likes to lead the rush, so he can work in either combo I think.

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10-21-2011, 08:43 AM
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Simmonds-Giroux-Voracek
Hartnell-Briere-Jagr
JvR-Schenn-Read
Talbot-Couturier-Nodl

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10-21-2011, 10:26 AM
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Don't see them splitting Giroux and Jagr up so I'll go with this.

Simmonds-Giroux-Jagr
JVR-Schenn-Voracek
Hartnell-Briere-Read
Talbot-Couturier-Nodl

I think JVR and Schenn could work well together.

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10-21-2011, 10:38 AM
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Briere-Giroux-Jagr
JVR-Schenn-Voracek
Simmonds-Couturier-Read
Hartnell-Talbot-Nodl

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10-21-2011, 10:47 AM
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Can someone explain to me why the **** has Jagr had like 10 minutes of icetime pg? No wonder the top lines cant find rythm with constant line changes taking place, oh and btw JVR should def be off the Giroux Jagr line. The guy is selfish with the puck but lacks the skill to do anything with it. Put Read or Simmonds in his spot and give them more minutes! Also, Hartnell should go.

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10-21-2011, 11:27 AM
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Well here were the lines at practice today:

Hartnell-Briere-Voracek
Schenn-Giroux-Jagr
JVR-Read-Voracek
Nodl-Couturier-Talbot

According to Timmy P

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10-21-2011, 11:31 AM
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Well here were the lines at practice today:

Hartnell-Briere-Voracek
Schenn-Giroux-Jagr
JVR-Read-Voracek
Nodl-Couturier-Talbot

According to Timmy P
Which line is Simmonds on? I assume he's one of the Voraceks.

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10-21-2011, 11:34 AM
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Which line is Simmonds on? I assume he's one of the Voraceks.
Wow yea. Tim was the one that posted that. I dont know.

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Well here were the lines at practice today:

Hartnell-Briere-Voracek
Schenn-Giroux-Jagr
JVR-Read-Voracek
Nodl-Couturier-Talbot

According to Timmy P
Quality reporting as usual by Tim P. Now just guess which of his Voracek's is Simmonds!

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Dave Issac confirms that Simmonds was on Read's left and JVR on Read's right so

Schenn-Giroux-Jagr
Hartnell-Briere-Voracek
Simmonds-Read-JVR
Talbot-Couturier-Nodl

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10-21-2011, 12:21 PM
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Dave Issac confirms that Simmonds was on Read's left and JVR on Read's right so

Schenn-Giroux-Jagr
Hartnell-Briere-Voracek
Simmonds-Read-JVR
Talbot-Couturier-Nodl
Odd. I know Read was a C in college, but still... I can see moving Schenn or Couturier to the wing for eachother, but for Read? I'm not sure. I also think Read's speed is a greater asset on the wing, where there is more space, than in the middle of the ice.

I still think:

Simmonds-Giroux-Jagr
Hartnell-Briere-Voracek
JVR-Schenn-Read
Talbot-Couturier-Nodl

Makes the most sense. Schenn and Read and JVR will find the chemistry eventually, and the other two lines have at least two players who have proven comfortable with eachother.

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10-21-2011, 12:34 PM
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The lower Couturier should play at this point is 3rd line.
I could even see a case for him centering the 2nd line.

He's been playing 3rd-4th line and is 2-2-4 in 6 games with a +4 +/-

And I know the boy can sustain a 82 games schedule.

I don't see how some can make a case of Schenn being able too moreso than Couturier.

I don't even want this to become a Schenn or Couturier scenario, but let's admit that Couturier is making a much stronger case for himself as of now than a 10 games stint on the team.

If Laviolette is rational about his case, he got to follow up accordingly.

How about a line of Voracek-Couturier-Briere?

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10-21-2011, 12:48 PM
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Dave Issac confirms that Simmonds was on Read's left and JVR on Read's right so

Schenn-Giroux-Jagr
Hartnell-Briere-Voracek
Simmonds-Read-JVR
Talbot-Couturier-Nodl
These are interesting lines. I'm curious to see how this plays out.

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Sam Carchidi via twitter: Daniel Briere is centering Jakob Voracek and Scott Hartnell. Giroux is centering Jagr and Schenn. Read is centering Simmonds and JVR. Couturier is centering Talbot and Shelley/Nodl.

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10-21-2011, 02:47 PM
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Dave Issac confirms that Simmonds was on Read's left and JVR on Read's right so

Schenn-Giroux-Jagr
Hartnell-Briere-Voracek
Simmonds-Read-JVR
Talbot-Couturier-Nodl
Whats with JVR on the right side?

And IMO it should be :
Hartnell-Giroux-Jagr
Simmonds-Briere-Read
JVR-Schenn/Couturier-Voracek
Nodl-Schenn/Couturier-Talbot

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10-21-2011, 03:05 PM
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I don't like putting Coots anywhere that may stunt his offensive growth.

Leave Read a winger. Let Coots center the third line.

Have Talbot center the 4th and move Simmonds to the 4th as a winger-- and bump him up to the 3rd line when lines are shifted around.

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10-21-2011, 03:54 PM
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I like putting JVR somewhere else and slopping Hartnell and Briere back together. JVR has seemed like a non-factor on that line much of the time, and Hartnell and Briere have just been non-factors. We need all three of those to begin producing soon, we can't be relying only on Giroux and the rookies.

This! + Voracek and Jagr

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I would love to see:
Simmonds - Giroux - Jagr (Think we've seen this on the PP and it looked good)
Hartnell - Briere - Read
JVR - Schenn - Voracek
Talbot - Couturier - Nodl

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Briere - Giroux - Jagr
JVR - Schenn - Voracek
Read - Couturier - Simmonds
Hartnell - Talbot - Nodl

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You and Read on this 4th line thing is getting crazy.
Meanwhile, your fanboy crush on him has been crazy for a little bit already.

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