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10-21-2011, 02:07 PM
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For those that wants Cole on the PP, he is as talented as Moen btw...no puck control, no stick handling, no strength...on the other hand, Eller wouldve been a great addition on the PP instead of Darche.
Moen:
10-11 79 games: 16 points
09-10 81 games: 19 points
08-09 82 games: 16 points
07-08 77 games: 8 points
06-07 82 games: 21 points

Cole:
10-11 82 games: 52 points (26 goals)
09-10 40 games: 16 points (11 goals)
08-09 80 games: 42 points (18 goals)
07-08 73 games: 51 points (22 goals)
06-07 71 games: 61 points (29 goals)

Youre ridiculous, Cole has always put up more goals than Moen has points...

But I do agree Eller deserves PP time more than both of them

edit: to add to this Cole's numbers last year would have put him 2nd behind Plekanec in points and 2nd behind Gionta in goals...


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10-21-2011, 02:12 PM
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It worked so well the first time, I'm not sure why they ever took him off.
Back where he belongs!

Lol, I remember everybody hating on Carbo for line-juggling when his d-corps and f-corps were so so so bad. Now we have boatloads of proven talent and JM is doing it.

Something reeks!

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10-21-2011, 02:12 PM
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Moen:
10-11 79 games: 16 points
09-10 81 games: 19 points
08-09 82 games: 16 points
07-08 77 games: 8 points
06-07 82 games: 21 points

Cole:
10-11 82 games: 52 points (26 goals)
09-10 40 games: 16 points (11 goals)
08-09 80 games: 42 points (18 goals)
07-08 73 games: 51 points (22 goals)
06-07 71 games: 61 points (29 goals)

Youre ridiculous, Cole has always put up more goals than Moen has points...

But I do agree Eller deserves PP time more than both of them
I'm talking about talent, Cole has no talent, everytime we are in our zone, he cant get the freaking puck out of the zone...when he enters the zone, he gets poke checked every single time...he cant do one good pass...he always gets hit because of his poor puck control/stick handling. Ok, if you prefer, Cole is as talented as Moen at best.

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10-21-2011, 02:14 PM
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Eller. Where the **** is he?

Instead we got Mathieu ****ing Darche.

**** Martin. #FireMartin

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10-21-2011, 02:16 PM
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I'm talking about talent, Cole has no talent, everytime we are in our zone, he cant get the freaking puck out of the zone...when he enters the zone, he gets poke checked every single time...he cant do one good pass...he always gets hit because of his poor puck control/stick handling. Ok, if you prefer, Cole is as talented as Moen at best.
He scored 26 goals last season. Only 43 players in the entire league scored more goals than him (only one of which was a Hab!).

He scored as many or more than players like: Heatley, Giroux, Kopitar, Zetterberg, the list goes on and on.

He clearly has some ****ing talents

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10-21-2011, 02:18 PM
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While im not the most pessimistic out there, i dont understand why Plekanec is still at the point, and why Darche is still there.

I know that Gorges is not the ideal PPQB, but at least, it will be a safest thing to do, and probably more efficient as Plekanec is obviously not as good as he can be at the point. (You move one of the swiss to the first unit, before that, of course).

Darche is a great guy, but come on. I can understand that Eller and Desharnais on the PP could be too much risk with the D, but Cole needs to play, to find some chemistry and confidence. And being on the PP cant hurt as hototogisu said.

This kind of move is really impossible to defend and he's not helping his cause.

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He scored 26 goals last season. Only 43 players in the entire league scored more goals than him (only one of which was a Hab!).

He scored as many or more than players like: Heatley, Giroux, Kopitar, Zetterberg, the list goes on and on.

He clearly has some ****ing talents
Keep on showing me his stats, you will convince me.

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10-21-2011, 02:19 PM
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Keep on showing me his stats, you will convince me.
He's obviously not playing well but it isn't to do with his talent but maybe his fit with the team.

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10-21-2011, 02:21 PM
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For those that wants Cole on the PP, he is as talented as Moen btw...no puck control, no stick handling, no strength...on the other hand, Eller wouldve been a great addition on the PP instead of Darche.
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Cole is terrible anyway. stone hands
Then we seriously need to clean up the pro scouting department!

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He's still a 20-30 goal scorer on a team that's offensively challenged enough as it is. Maybe Carolina scored enough goals that they could afford to sit Cole for their PP's but I'm not sure that we have that luxury.
Exactly, they had Staal, Skinner and Jokinen last year which all had great seasons and probably didn't need to use Cole on the pp. With the contract the Habs gave him you would think they give him all the chances in the world to make it work

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10-21-2011, 02:24 PM
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Keep on showing me his stats, you will convince me.
Obviously he isn't the most gifted player on the team, but he has proven without any inkling of a doubt over a long enough time frame that he is a better offensive player and a better goal scorer than the likes of Travis Moen or Mathieu Darche.

Continue being ignorant and irrational, you will convince nobody.

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10-21-2011, 02:27 PM
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Back where he belongs!

Lol, I remember everybody hating on Carbo for line-juggling when his d-corps and f-corps were so so so bad. Now we have boatloads of proven talent and JM is doing it.

Something reeks!
Nice avy

" in 6 games....... "

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If there's one thing you don't want to see when you have an old, experienced coach, it's panic. That's exactly what I'm getting from martin these past few games. He's way too indecisive and is costing the team time to build chemistry.

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10-21-2011, 02:38 PM
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All I can do is laugh at this point. What kind of NHL team keeps putting Darche on the PP? The guy is a career AHLer.

And Plekanec on the point is stupid. He should be in a position where he can be a playmaker.

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10-21-2011, 02:42 PM
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Well if the PP isnt working why not go back to the other setup that didnt work at all and gave up more short handed chances than they had scoring chances.

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All I can do is laugh at this point. What kind of NHL team keeps putting Darche on the PP? The guy is a career AHLer.

And Plekanec on the point is stupid. He should be in a position where he can be a playmaker.
I'm probably among the most optimistic and I don't even really get it. Maybe last year as the only other guy to put in front of the net was Kostitsyn. But to play Darche ahead of Eller, Cole, etc... I don't really get it. The only thing I can think of is that JM is trying to send a message to his team after a poor effort in Pittsburgh, but still...

As for Plekanec at the point, I don't really like that one either... but the fact is that our two PP goals this year were:

- Plekanec at the point passing to Weber for the one-timer
- Plekanec shot from the point

So at least that makes a bit of sense...

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Guys... A bit of seriousness please!

What about Gill instead of Darche? Big body, solid on his skates, so slow he can just stay in front of the goalie and tip-in some goals. I'd consider him, as he could become our secret weapon on the Power Play.

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10-21-2011, 02:46 PM
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I hate, hate, hate what I've seen from Pleks as the PP QB on the point. That point seems to have been covered though.

There are a few positives in this... Subban is back at the trigger man position on the PP. Weber's ok, but the team really missed the presence of Subban's one-timer the last couple games. The second unit is also the best offensive line the Habs have had all year, so I can't argue with that. Plus, there's the whole no-Gomez thing.

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10-21-2011, 02:55 PM
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Why can't Weber QB the PP until Markov comes back?

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Amazing!!! Pleks on the point for our PP is like what? 1 in 20?

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That's why I say, let's put Gill on the PP in front of the net. It's bound to work more than 1 out of 20 times.

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Nice, 4.5 million dollar man Eric Cole watching Darche out there on the pp. I'm sure he will keep playing hard for Martin
Not that I want to argue whether Cole would be a better option than darche, but Cole is not a very good special teams player. He was brought in to help with 5 on 5 scoring but he's probably done more harm than good thus far. At this point, my main concern about cole is not even his production but rather how he cant clear his own zone to save his life.

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what is the solution instead of plekanec?

our D

Subban
Weber
Diaz
Gorges
Gill
Emelin

first 3 are PP potential D
need a 4th one.

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Why can't Weber QB the PP until Markov comes back?
I still think the best option is to move diaz to the left point of the first unit pp, move pleks back to the right half wall. Subban can be the trigger man. Slide Weber into the 2nd unit trigger spot. I dont think he belongs on a first unit unless its a 4on3 or 5on3 situation.

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I'm assuming there is a strategy in place that is built around Pleks manning the point with Subban, that takes advantage of his particular skillset, but we haven't seen it yet. Nothing else would explain going back to this.

If not, why not use Andrei K. instead? Or even in front of the goalie? We can take advantage of either his shot or his size, but no.

In in any case, Plekanec was very good last season at controlling the flow of the powerplay in Kovy's old spot, or has JM forgotten?

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Sigh.. The Habs are like a ship without a captain this year.. The more I see of what's happening to start this season the more I'm convinced that captain Kirk was the real coach of this team..

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