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10-23-2011, 09:23 AM
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People act like this team wasn't supposed to be hit-or-miss most of the year.

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10-23-2011, 09:42 AM
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I wouldn't be so sure, Bryzgalov had a careless attitude in a contract year.. Now he is locked up long term I'd except what little competitive fire he has to go completely out..

You'll think I'm crazy but I was not in favor of offering him a contract to return to the Coyotes at all..
Now that bryz left phoenix, the 'yotes are sure to follow...
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10-23-2011, 10:04 AM
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It still bugs me that we have an expensive goal tending tandem and defense meant to win now, but up front we went into rebuild mode and it's extremely green and it's meant to win down the road.

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10-23-2011, 10:05 AM
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I missed most of this, but my biggest concern is Lavy screwing around with the lines. With this many new forwards, there's going to be an adjustment period, but this kind of wholesale change seems unnecessary.

From the highlights I saw, it looked like Bryz was hung out to dry by his defense quite a bit, which is not expected or acceptable.

Hopefully a few more practices with lines that get time to click will help.

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10-23-2011, 10:14 AM
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It still bugs me that we have an expensive goal tending tandem and defense meant to win now, but up front we went into rebuild mode and it's extremely green and it's meant to win down the road.
Offence did not loose the game yesterday

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10-23-2011, 10:16 AM
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Offence did not loose the game yesterday
not saying they did, it's just this off season had us trying to go two different directions at once

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People act like this team wasn't supposed to be hit-or-miss most of the year.
You are right on offencive part of the puck.

D-core was supposed to be hit-or-hit this year (pun intended).

Also, IMO, ofensively they have no chance to hit with these insane line combos- they are predisposed to miss-or-miss.

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10-23-2011, 11:18 AM
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Bob WILL be the starter by the end of the year, mark my words. The kid has more talent and drive than Bryzgalov.

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10-23-2011, 11:27 AM
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Meanwhile in West Philadelphia (born and raised, on the playground is...) the Kings have played to three straight shutouts.

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10-23-2011, 11:59 AM
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People act like this team wasn't supposed to be hit-or-miss most of the year.
The 17 and 18 haters believe this team is supposed to be better than last year's 106 point team.

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10-23-2011, 12:05 PM
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Meanwhile in West Philadelphia (born and raised, on the playground is...) the Kings have played to three straight shutouts.
And Quick is carrying my fantasy team

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People act like this team wasn't supposed to be hit-or-miss most of the year.
This. Did anybody really expect this team to come together that quick? With so many changes, it's going to take a significant amount of time for the forwards to start to develop the fine tuned chemistry that you need in order to be successful against quality NHL defenses. This isn't wide open drop in hockey. So until that happens, the flyers are going to continue to play sloppy unorganized hockey. I just hope they figure it out sooner rather than later, so they can make a playoff run.

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10-23-2011, 12:40 PM
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Well we might as well start on the "Fail for Nail". Come on now, who doesnt want to see him on Giroux's Wing

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10-23-2011, 03:50 PM
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Heard reporter ask lavy after practice today if he expects to get Shelley into the lineup this week he said yes **** thats all we need another useless dum ass in the lineup...........

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10-23-2011, 10:37 PM
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10-24-2011, 02:08 AM
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Bob WILL be the starter by the end of the year, mark my words. The kid has more talent and drive than Bryzgalov.
I don't think this is that crazy an idea actually. I am a huge Bob fan though.

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It still bugs me that we have an expensive goal tending tandem and defense meant to win now, but up front we went into rebuild mode and it's extremely green and it's meant to win down the road.
Look at when players peak. Goalies peak from their late twenties to mid thirties, defensemen about the same, and forwards typically produce the best in their early twenties.

The two defensemen we have that are older also happen to be elite guys, our forwards are young with fresh legs, and our goalie is supposed to be hot **** and in his prime. I don't mind the construction of this team from the perspective you're taking.

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10-24-2011, 10:49 AM
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Look at when players peak. Goalies peak from their late twenties to mid thirties, defensemen about the same, and forwards typically produce the best in their early twenties.

The two defensemen we have that are older also happen to be elite guys, our forwards are young with fresh legs, and our goalie is supposed to be hot **** and in his prime. I don't mind the construction of this team from the perspective you're taking.
We had three vets when Carter and Richards were traded, two were forwards (I don't count Shelley). We added Jagr and Lilja and Bryzgalov.

We now have a good core of character vets, most of whom are elite players (two of whom are HHOF First Balloteers), including some at F, a solid vet D with four older guys and three guys in their mid-20s that has been playoff tested. Our goalie situation is solid.

It was the vets who advocated for, and have supported, the need for a culture change, which turned out to mean losing Carter, Richards, Versteeg, Powe, etc. We got tremendous value in young players and picks for them.

You'd think even HF draft pick junkies would appreciate that, right?

We're young up front, but I remember a team in the mid-80s that made it to the finals with a whole lot of rookies in the lineup.... 1984-5 I believe...

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...000531985.html

Zezel (19), Tocchet (20), Smith (19), Bergen (21) were rookies.
The Sutter boys and Craven were sophomores at 20, Brown at 21.

We went to the finals with 8 forwards aged 21 or younger.

If you have a solid blend on D, great goaltending, and a handful of vets at F, you can go far with a young core of forwards.

Not saying it will necessarily happen this year, but there's no reason it can't.

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10-24-2011, 11:01 AM
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People act like this team wasn't supposed to be hit-or-miss most of the year.
I know the team's supposed to be hit or miss. Just bothers me when stuff that shouldn't be going wrong, is.

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10-24-2011, 11:17 AM
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People act like this team wasn't supposed to be hit-or-miss most of the year.
Agreed, and it's not even like they are sucking terribly or something. They're losing competitive games to good teams, they have yet to get the level of goal tending they can reasonably expect for most of the year, and they're still above .500. If they get points at this rate for the remainder of the year they're a bottom 4 play-off team right? Isn't that what we all anticipated?

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10-24-2011, 11:41 AM
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We had three vets when Carter and Richards were traded, two were forwards (I don't count Shelley). We added Jagr and Lilja and Bryzgalov.

We now have a good core of character vets, most of whom are elite players (two of whom are HHOF First Balloteers), including some at F, a solid vet D with four older guys and three guys in their mid-20s that has been playoff tested. Our goalie situation is solid.

It was the vets who advocated for, and have supported, the need for a culture change, which turned out to mean losing Carter, Richards, Versteeg, Powe, etc. We got tremendous value in young players and picks for them.

You'd think even HF draft pick junkies would appreciate that, right?

We're young up front, but I remember a team in the mid-80s that made it to the finals with a whole lot of rookies in the lineup.... 1984-5 I believe...

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...000531985.html

Zezel (19), Tocchet (20), Smith (19), Bergen (21) were rookies.
The Sutter boys and Craven were sophomores at 20, Brown at 21.

We went to the finals with 8 forwards aged 21 or younger.

If you have a solid blend on D, great goaltending, and a handful of vets at F, you can go far with a young core of forwards.

Not saying it will necessarily happen this year, but there's no reason it can't.
Powe? Versteeg, who was barely even a Flyer? Really?



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10-24-2011, 11:51 AM
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What's been apparent to me is the lack of careful roster planning with the forwards. There's no doubt that we are loaded with young talent up front but there is a bit of a mess when it comes to roles and balance. The forwards don't really mesh easily

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10-24-2011, 11:53 AM
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Not saying it will necessarily happen this year, but there's no reason it can't.
And this is the key comment. Again it's a transition year...making the playoffs will be important to their further development so I would say they need to do at least that. However, it will be tough only b/c of the parity in the league. So I'm tempering my expectations somewhat and looking out until next year and beyond and absolutely agree that this team has a makeup similar to the mid 80's Flyers..have said it in the past. Even the Bob and Bryz competition is similar to Frosty and Lindbergh..

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10-24-2011, 11:58 AM
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I remain confident that they will make the playoffs. Bryz will eventually wake up. I think/hope.

That being said, yeah. It is a transition year...so it shouldn't be shocking if they miss out.

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