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10-19-2011, 01:52 PM
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Blues Analysis

Since we have a 2 day break I thought it might be good to get into what is really going on with our Blues and give a little analysis.

Now I just joined these boards recently so I thought I would go back a little and talk about the free agency signings from this summer. I feel like the team from last year was very strong and just needed some depth with scoring ability which we got with Grachev and another year of McRae and some defensive depth which I felt was covered well by Cole. Now I have been pleasantly surprised with Arnott and Huskins so far but Langs and Nichol have been very disappointing. Langs has been worthless on the top line and I feel like Payne is playing him off his legacy instead of his play, a couple of decents hits on the forecheck does not make him a top line guy. Also I am starting to believe in this Langenbrunner curse from last year. Now Nichol is great on the faceoffs but has been bad everywhere else, he is suppose to be this PK specialist and we all know how well that is going. Personally I would rather have taken that money used for those signings to go after Tyler Kennedy.

McDonald - Backes - D'Agostini
Oshie - Berglund - Stewart
Grachev - Steen - Kennedy
Porter - Sobotka - Reaves

* D'Agostini had great chemistry with Backes and McDonald last year and is the closest thing to sniper we have on this time with Perron out. His wrister is highly underrated
* Sobotka has always played his best hockey at center and has skill level to move up the depth chart if need be.
* Steen was drafted as a center (so many people forget that) and his work ethic is exactly what you would want for a center. Maybe not the size but definately the heart.
* When Perron returned you could drop Dags back down to the third line and Grachev down into Porter's spot.

Pietrangelo - Colaiacovo
Shattenkirk - Jackman
Polak - Nikitin

Now since the above is purely fantasy at this point I'll move onto what has happened this season. Now obviously the special teams is the BIG issue so far this year so I'll split them up.

PP: There has been no creativity all together it seems like the all we do is work the puck back to point and everyone else stands still waiting for something to happen. There needs to be some movement by the players without the puck to help open up lanes. Right now all the opposing PK has to do is stay in the box and have one man put pressure on the puck carrier to stop the Blues powerplay.

PK: I know it sounds silly but it seems like the Blues players are trying to rush there clearing attempts. They are just wildly slapping at the puck not watching where they are putting it, if they took a second to look up and pick there spot the PK would be at least 15-20% better. Secondly they need to put pressure on the puck carrier and try to cut off passing lanes, I ****ing hate the passive box PK it provides the opposing team way to much space. This can also be said about the overall defensive play regardless of if we are on the PK or not.

Now beyond the special teams I feel as though the transition game has really suffered. I have seen way to many backwards passes in the first two weeks of the season and it leads to us having no momentum when we enter the offensive zone. Also, we need to be much faster going from defensive zone play into the transition we allow them to get their entire 5 man unit setup before we "breakout".
Now once we get into the offensive zone we have a ton of possession time but rarely generate any kind of quality scoring chance and that is just because of an uninspired offense.

Now I have never been a big fire the coach guy. I never called for Andy Murray's head during his run ( that may be because I met the man once and he was actually very cool) but when it comes to our team right now I don't see just one problem that you can point to as "the weakness" there are several problems and when that's the case it is usually a matter of coaching. So bottom line I feel like Payne needs to be put on the clock, you have 5 games to get the boys on track.

So that's pretty much how I feel about the team right now but who knows maybe I am wayyyy off, so feel free to post your own analysis of our team so far.

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10-19-2011, 02:48 PM
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You make good points. I think Nichol will become more of a PKer as he settles in with the team. Langebrunner has showed flashes of his old self, but he needs to be a third line kind of guy to be properly utilized. Arnott(Our leading scorer) and Huskins, who especially has been a surprise, have looked good. Sharks fans told us Husky was nothing but a 7th man defenceman, yet he looks to me quite capable of holding his own full time.

I don't know if it's Davis Payne's fault, but that won't matter if this keeps up. JD understands that fans aren't going to put up with the same crap they've dealt with for 6 years now. But from what I've seen in my years of watching hockey(mind you, isn't as much as some people(Robb I'm looking at you) as I'm only 19, but I digress) management tends to try damage control with the fans by saying "look we fired the coach, it's okay now!". I wouldn't be against his firing, put it that way.

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10-19-2011, 04:48 PM
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I don't think firing Payne would save the season. Before you think about firing the guy, what candidates are out there to replace him with?

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I hope we don't over value our prospects and players.

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I don't think firing Payne would save the season. Before you think about firing the guy, what candidates are out there to replace him with?
I was just thinking that right now is when a year of task master like Andy Murray would be effective. What is Mike Keenan up to?

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10-20-2011, 09:04 AM
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Special teams are killing this Blues team right now. Plain and simple. So far this young season the Blues have scored 1 PP goal by Arnott (in the first game) and to date have given up 7 PP goals and 1 SH goal. The opposition has scored at least 1 PP goal in all 6 games.


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10-20-2011, 09:19 AM
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I don't think firing Payne would save the season. Before you think about firing the guy, what candidates are out there to replace him with?
This is the same question ive been asking all my friends that are calling for Payne's head. It would be stupid to fire our coach 6 games into the season especially if there isnt a better option available.

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I am starting to think next year is when this team really turns the corner. For one, I am not expecting much from Perron this year. It's going to take some time for him to get to where he was. And two, the Tank is coming.

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Too early to be talking about firing Payne. However, 10-12 games and there will be legitimate questions about his position if performances don't improve.

Yeah, we are playing well 5-on-5, but special teams turn games and we all know how pathetic we are performing there. Obviously solutions have to be found, and trade is one door, but will that solve the problem? McClement was a big loss, but I don't really believe that is the only reason why our PK has turned to... A lot of the time the coach gets blamed for things that are really down to the players, tactical issues like this is where you have to look to the coach to solve the problem.

It is early in the season, but we have to remember that 97+ could well be what is needed to get into the playoffs. 20 games in could see us ending up in an incredibly difficult situation unless solutions come fast.

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10-20-2011, 02:42 PM
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At least we don't have Avalanche fans coming in here to see how many games we can lose, and give them our 1st.

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Well...Yakupov would look pretty nice with Tarasenko...


As far as the power play, I find it difficult to believe that with all the youth on the team there is so little creativity. It is usually the more cautious, older players that want to play station-to-station. Perhaps getting Perron back in December will jump-start it a bit.

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At least we don't have Avalanche fans coming in here to see how many games we can lose, and give them our 1st.
We're lurking lol.

Anyways, to the point the other poster said....whichever team fires there coach also gets to hire first, they get the better selection if you know what I mean.

And I think Perron is awesome but demoting D'Agostini to the 3rd line again? This guy was putting up a ppg almost at the end of last year despite getting less TOI than others, dunno what he has to do to keep himself there. And TJ Oshie is a much more prototypical 3rd line player than D'Agostini. I know his potential is higher but I care more about results and who impresses more. And I do realize that you guys have 3 lines of top six forwards instead of a traditional top six and bottom six but still...

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We're lurking lol.

Anyways, to the point the other poster said....whichever team fires there coach also gets to hire first, they get the better selection if you know what I mean.

And I think Perron is awesome but demoting D'Agostini to the 3rd line again? This guy was putting up a ppg almost at the end of last year despite getting less TOI than others, dunno what he has to do to keep himself there. And TJ Oshie is a much more prototypical 3rd line player than D'Agostini. I know his potential is higher but I care more about results and who impresses more. And I do realize that you guys have 3 lines of top six forwards instead of a traditional top six and bottom six but still...
I was with you up until you said that Oshie is a more prototypical 3rd liner than D'Agostini...very strong disagreement there. What are you basing that on?

With that said, D'Agositini's "demotion" didn't last long...he was back in the top 6 tonight.

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I think he means that Oshie will be more of a productive player on the 3rd than D'ags, which I agree with.

Oshie will do well no matter what role you ask of him, D'ags needs better linemates to be a better player.

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Last night was a good example of what Oshie can bring to the table. I give D'Agostini credit for playing with intensity and responding well to the demotion yesterday....but Oshie could have been the game MVP.

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I think he means that Oshie will be more of a productive player on the 3rd than D'ags, which I agree with.

Oshie will do well no matter what role you ask of him, D'ags needs better linemates to be a better player.
I was thinking somthing similar. D'Agostinin seems to be more of a complimentary player. With his speed and shot, he fills the role of sniper on a traditional playmaker, sniper, grinder line.

On the flip side, Oshie's defensive awareness and tenacity (when he is on) make him a better option on a shutdown line than D'Agostini.

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