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10-25-2011, 02:48 AM
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Whats your take on Cammalleri?

This is mine«:

Injury prone, poor compete level in the reg season, no second effort, no hustle, lose his puck battles easily, especially against the tough guys where he just refuse to battle, doesnt play the system coming low in the def zone to help the transition.. To be honest, he is playing like someone who wants the coach's head, I dont know if he is the one who talks to Laraque knowing pretty well Laraque would make it public on the late show but this guy has an history of being a little rat in a locker room, just ask the Kings guys he played with.. If Cammy is indeed the one who go out to puke about what is supposed to be kept in the locker room, then I lose any respect for him.. His body language says alot too, the guy seems to be always bored, complaining about everything.. for example last year he is the one that said our boards were too rigid on a casual tone..

If the team keeps playing this way, I could see very well Cammy being traded at the deadline..

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10-25-2011, 02:52 AM
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I like cammy, but if we fail this year, I would trade him at deadline for the right young return. It really depends what happens throughout the year. Right now, I want him on the team.

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10-25-2011, 03:32 AM
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I know he's clutch in the playoffs, but i've been talking about trading him since last year. I'd unload him for a 1st rounder if it was possible at the deadline, or take back some salary as well if necessary. As I've said before, the future is actually fairly bright. But our best players are just too small and we'll eventually need to rectify it by making some trades. And Cammy is the best trade bait (that we can afford to deal) we have, imo.

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10-25-2011, 03:56 AM
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I was at the Bell Center "tonight" and saw him work on the PK. At one point, the Panthers were moving the puck really well (on the PP) and Cammy COMPLETELY gave up. He was just standing there doing NOTHING. He didn't even try to block the passing lanes with his stick. He just stood there, shoulder down, with a lifeless stick on one hand. I don't know if it was visible on tv but the fans near me all saw that and was like: "wtf is Cammalleri doing?"

As for my take on Cammalleri in general, it still hard to "dislike" him because he's such a clutch player in the playoffs and that's when it really counts but in the regular season, he's been quite a disappointment so far.

A bit OT but I like Cammy. I also like Gionta but I don't like Gionta AND Cammalleri in the same team playing on the top 6. Especially with Plekanec and Gomez as their center.

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10-25-2011, 03:59 AM
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Trade this cocky bum for a 1st Rnd Pick and a Top Prospect...before he gets seriously injured.
And what the **** was that? (Cammalleri behind our goalie playing around with the puck, casually losing it and even bringing it closer to our net to give it to the opposition...was so bad it looked intentional (like a player trying to get his coach fired).

Yes he delivers in playoffs (lots of goals) and I love that, but he's just ****ing awful in regular season (ZERO defensively). Keep him IF we can make the playoffs! IF we can't make the playoffs I'd rather our Habs end up at the very bottom (or close) versus 9th or 10th (missing playoffs by a few points is a nightmare).

p.s.: I absolutely hate Cammalleri's annoying rat-like cocky smirk in interviews (like he's above everyone on the team). He answers questions like the media owes him a lot for anwering each time. Cammalleri needs to eat a lot of humble pie (something Gorges and Darche have a lot of). Loved how Gorges recently said ''our fans deserve way more than this...we've got to find a way to win for our fans'' (never heard anything similar to this from Cammalleri).


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10-25-2011, 04:58 AM
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I think Cammalleri needs to be moved off of Plekanec' wing. He's decent enough defensively/possession-wise to handle the top-line opposition Plekanec gets but you could probably get more offense out of him if he was moved down to the 2nd line where the defensive responsibility is less.

With MaxPac out Martin is really running out of options, but if the forwards were healthy Cammalleri should be playing with Gomez or Eller while two of Kostitsyn, Cole, or Gionta take the more difficult minutes.

I also don't understand using him on the penalty kill. Cole is strong, faster, and has played on the PK to good effect (an Oilers blogger I follow called him Edmonton's best penalty killer post-lockout). Ease up on the type of minutes for Cammalleri and mitigate the "Cole doesn't get enough ice-time" narrative in one shot.

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10-25-2011, 06:05 AM
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I was at the Bell Center "tonight" and saw him work on the PK. At one point, the Panthers were moving the puck really well (on the PP) and Cammy COMPLETELY gave up. He was just standing there doing NOTHING. He didn't even try to block the passing lanes with his stick. He just stood there, shoulder down, with a lifeless stick on one hand. I don't know if it was visible on tv but the fans near me all saw that and was like: "wtf is Cammalleri doing?"
Was that on a PK late in the 2nd period? If it was then I think I remember the shift you are talking about. It was when the Habs were killing off the Pacioretty penalty and Cammy and Pleks were the forwards out there and they were both caught out there for ages. Checking the shift chart on nhl.com, Cammy was out there for 1m 42s and Plek was out there for 2m 10s! They spent most of that time chasing around and must have been knackered. Eventually the puck went out to the right half boards and the Cats slowed the play down to re-group and I think that might be when you saw Cammy do what he did and I think Plek did something similar. If so, I interpreted that as the PKers just re-grouping, finding their positions, giving the PP guys the outside and trying to get ready for whatever happened next on a shift that must have felt like it wouldn't end. If that isn't the play you are talking about, can you give me an idea of when this happened please, I'll see if I can find it.

I have a few issues with Cammy's play, his contribution on the Cats 1st goal last night irked me but if the above is the play you are referring to then I didn't mind that as what he did made sense to me. The Cats stopped attacking for a few seconds and the PKers used that time to re-group and draw a lung full of breath. Ultimately, they didn't score on that PP so if it worked then credit to them for getting the job done while clearly exhausted.

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10-25-2011, 06:09 AM
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I agree that if we don't turn this ship around come February we should tank like hell (for once) - hey it's obviously what the fans want! - and trade Cammalleri for a 1st rounder + prospect to a contending team. After all, in the last two Playoffs Cammy has alot of points and seems to bring it in postseason play.

With that said I find his regular season performance to be lacklustre. And I agree that he shouldn't play PK, give those minutes to Cole, and put him on a offensive line with Eller centering it.

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10-25-2011, 07:41 AM
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he is the only one that shows up consistantly for the playoffs

however you need to make it there

as others have said, if you are out of it come deadline day
fire sale imo

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10-25-2011, 07:49 AM
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Uh, wtf?

Cammalleri in the past has proven that when his linemates work, he performs that much better.

Now lets do some simple math here.

Right now the WHOLE team is not performing, they can't get it done, and this piss poor strategy of dump & chase is getting so predictable that even the bottom of the barrell teams are countering it.

Cammalleri is a dynamite player, especially when his wingers/center are performing the way they should.Right now who can we say has performed the way they should? Patches? Hes the only one that can come to mind, Price, PK, etc.... all have had really rough starts. So think to yourself how can Cammalleri (winger) possibly be at his best, when the system he plays in has reduced itself to absolute ****, when the players have lost their only motivator (Muller), and the Head coach is in his own bubble telling them to conserve the lead when its 1-0. Hell I always joke about this with my best friend (eaglesmaster) that when we are down 2-0 JM's advice to players, and the gameplan is "JM:Stick to the Gameplan guys.
Gionta: But Jacques we haven't scored yet.
JM: *tries to get buddy buddy with Gio and pulls him aside by the shoulder* I said Stick to the Gameplan
Gionta: So you mean Conserve the Lead?
JM: Exactly!
Gionta: but....
JM: I SAID CONSERVE IT!
Gionta: *confused and frustrated* okay guys *with an unsure tone* we're gonna conserve the lead, got it?
Emelin: *Mumbles in Russian* I play now?
Cole: *Mumbles* I Miss Eric T_T
JM: *Tries to be all Muller-Like* Go out there and stick to the gameplan! *thinks, what was it Muller says? Oh yeah!* and remember guys **** YOU ALL!
Gionta: uh Jacques, its actually Give it your all...*facepalm*

In short I can't judge Cammy on his performance this year, because we've won 1 ****ing game, the problem isn't our players, its our Coach, no point in rebuilding when we have a bunch of 30+ year olds that don't produce enough points to give them value. Yes Cammy has had injury problems, but if you count last night so has Patches, and I'm sure down the stretch Pleks or Cole will get snagged, doesn't mean you trade them, if anything Markov is the one on a 3 year Hiatus for his faulty legs given to him by Sarif Industries (Deus Ex HR reference).



In conclusion, calm the **** down, and if anything focus the blame on someone that deserves it (JM).

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10-25-2011, 07:57 AM
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I agree with most of you, if by the trade deadline our chances at the playoffs are very slim then trade him if you can get a good return, hopefully prospects and picks. I feel like he's the only veteran on our team that could get us some good prospects. The thing that scares me is that he is such a sniper and if we trade him, we would never have that scoring threat because when Cammalerri is on fire, he puts the puck in a lot!

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Was that on a PK late in the 2nd period? If it was then I think I remember the shift you are talking about. It was when the Habs were killing off the Pacioretty penalty and Cammy and Pleks were the forwards out there and they were both caught out there for ages.
Here's a question: what is Cammalleri doing on the PK in the first place? He's not a defensive specialist. Calgary never used him on the PK. LA never used him on the PK. We rarely even used him on the PK until now, and suddenly he's second among Montreal forwards in SH TOI/G at a stunning 2:59, a full minute ahead of Gionta!

Is Martin actively trying to change his game or something?

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Here's a question: what is Cammalleri doing on the PK in the first place? He's not a defensive specialist. Calgary never used him on the PK. LA never used him on the PK. We rarely even used him on the PK until now, and suddenly he's second among Montreal forwards in SH TOI/G at a stunning 2:59, a full minute ahead of Gionta!

Is Martin actively trying to change his game or something?
at the rate hes going hes more likely trying to actively change his occupational status.

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10-25-2011, 08:22 AM
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I agree he's a cocky suma***** but he is clutch in the playoffs. I think it's also the boring style the coach has the team playing that's effecting him. He'll usually be more visible when the team plays an open up-down game, and would most likely see his production skyrocket if a coaching change was made to an offensive minded system.

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In 5 of the 8 games this year our team has scored ONE goal or less, so lets talk about trading our best pure goal scorer on this team...

I'd like to see what some of our guys could do with an offensive coach before even talking about trading them.

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10-25-2011, 08:29 AM
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Even if we are out of the playoff picture the goal is to get back next year. We need a sniper on this team and Cammy is just that. Unless a team gives us something we can't refuse ( which I doubt) I would go forward with players like Cammy and Plekanec. The rest I would try to move but not Cammalleri

A top team is going to go after him, we are looking at a draft pick in the 20+ range, might as well keep him

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hes our only natural scorer but if theres one thing that i hate about cammy is that he plays soft scared of getting injured but coming deadline he would be our only player who would fetch a good return ( 1st 2012 + Prospect )

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Even if we are out of the playoff picture the goal is to get back next year. We need a sniper on this team and Cammy is just that. Unless a team gives us something we can't refuse ( which I doubt) I would go forward with players like Cammy and Plekanec. The rest I would try to move but not Cammalleri.
I totally agree with you. How come there isn't any threads on Gionta in here? He's been so poor this year. I know Cammalleri's value is better than Gionta's, but one of the players really underperforming this year is Gionta. Won't even mention Gill.

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Not a fan of him but he doesn't have anybody to give him the puck... How many scoring chances has his center given him this season?! If the first line was Eller-Cammalleri-AK46 he'd look much better, since he'd get to play with creative players who know how to cycle the puck.

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I'd move him for a 1st/Good prospect combo. I wouldn't push him out the door however. If we can't get full value we may as well keep him.

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Get rid of Martin, you will like him alot.

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10-25-2011, 08:47 AM
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Get rid of Martin, you will like him alot.
without quoting myself, thats exactly what I said. People seem to be jumping the bandwagon on Cammy, I mean really guys?

A 1st and a good prospect I agree, but otherwise?

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An offensively starved team like Nashville if they are in the play-off picture would definitely pay the premium.

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And what about Gionta?

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And what about Gionta?
hardest worker on the team, puts an almost guaranteed 25 goal in the bank for his team, is a great leader and the captain, i wouldn't move him

he has been playing like **** this year though - just like 80% of the habs players anyways. doens't mean i'd trade him for a coke and a smile

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