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10-25-2011, 05:20 AM
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I like Stralman. Could do far worse for just $$.

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10-25-2011, 05:53 AM
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Stralman isn't much of an upgrade over Woywitka.

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10-25-2011, 06:56 AM
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Stralman isn't much of an upgrade over Woywitka.
Agreed, at least in terms of what could reasonably be expected from him.

But they fill completely diffrent roles on the team.

In many essential areas we live of MDZ and Erixon right now, and maybe to a little extent on Emminger. McD is showing a up side, but he has zero continuity when it comes to being creative with his first pass, and Girardi just doesn't have the mobility. If you get a blueline with zero creativity -- it just becomes extremely easy to for the other team to read us like a book on the forecheck. Like you cannot imagine how hard a team like NJD would push us on the forecheck if we didn't have a single D who could step around a forechecker and gain center ice by himself.

The ability for a blueline to step around a forechecker/beat a trap with a pass is definitely essential for any hockey team. Its very simple math. 1 D has the puck behind his own net. He than have 4 passing options. The forechecking team has 5 guys at hand, even if they put pressure on the puckholder -- they can take away all 4 passing options. But you do not do that. Because you need back-up if the D behind the net beats his guys and skates up center ice, or you face a big risk to be hit with a odd man rush (often a wing is left open if a D steps around his forechecker). Thats why you play it safe and try to have 3 mans back no matter what (or a 3rd back that doesn't loose speed on the back check, so that he can recover and take away a trailing forward/D atleast).

Strålman would strengthen us in that area, as a backup or maybe even upgrade over Erixon and MDZ.

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10-25-2011, 07:07 AM
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this has Staal setback written all over it.

McDonagh - Girardi
Sauer - Del Zotto
Stralman - Erixon (Der from Sveden)

think those lines would be R-L, can't remember what Erixon is. I would not complain one bit about this. Keep Eminger as 7th D-Man - let Wade and Jeff become bus buddies

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10-25-2011, 07:19 AM
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Coming from seeing him play for 2 years in Columbus, he is Christian Backman 2.0

There is a reason Columbus, New Jersey, and every other team passed on him. Weak Shot, decent puck carrier, HORRIBLE defensively.

If I was you guys, I would be hoping you don't pick up this guy.

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10-25-2011, 07:38 AM
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This guy couldn't even crack NJ's pathetic defensive group.

Don't like this move at all.

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10-25-2011, 07:47 AM
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I loved this guy when he was younger, but things just seemed to go wrong for him.
Happy to give him a chance in New York.

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10-25-2011, 08:39 AM
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This can only mean the organization doesn't think Staal will be back soon. Really no other way to look at it.

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10-25-2011, 08:42 AM
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Lundqvist will be his mentor and hes going to develop into Girardi 2.0.

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10-25-2011, 08:45 AM
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I would definitely not mind taking a shot on this kid.

First of all, we are talking about a kid in the "Matt Gilroy-mold", if you get what I mean. We are not getting someone who really is established but has flaws, nor a finnished product. Which mostly is negative, you certainly got some potential, but he is still going to have to feel his way some.

Second of all, while having flaws he is in some sense fundamentally a very good hockeyplayer. He has played for very weak teams his entire career, and still seems to suffer from that in terms of confidence. Especially defensively. He also a non-physical player like Gilroy.

But his speed is really good, he moves well both offensively and defensively, he is not like lost defensively. I've heard comments about him like being clueless or very soft -- I don't think thats true actually. He looses too many "solid battles" defensively though for sure.

But his right handed shot is very good. He moves the puck up ice well, and can skate it up ice better than say Erixon. He is a decent PPQB, probably a notch above Erixon there as well (natrually Erixon is still very young, and can improve more than Strålman).

Odds are, probably, that if we get him, he won't amount into much. Maybe bring temporary help. In a sense he is like Zucc, it don't make much sense to play him as a 5-7th D. With his style, he needs ice time to be successful (its nothing wrong with playing with small marginals, all D's does it, but you cannot be expected to do it if you sit on the bench for 10 minutes). NJD obviously took that into consideration, Adam Larsson stepeed up for them and then it didn't make much sense for them to carry Strålman if he wasn't going to get PP time etc. He probably is not good enough to warrent that ice time for us either, hence, he probably wouldn't stick here when people get healty and we are up and running.

At the same time, he got quality's that we need for sure (puckmoving ability etc). He has alot of talent, and is a special kid who has proven that he can be a very good hockey player at many levels (WJCH's, WCH's, SEL). He could be a steal if he finds his groove here in NY.
This is a great post, I agree with almost everything.

IMO he is a very talented player and for several years I just kind of waited for him to get it all together. He was on his way of doing that the first season in Columbus before getting problems with sinus infections. Last year was destroyed by different infections. He had a very rough strectch first half of the season and seemed to completely lose condifidence. He came back and played very well before going down with a minor knee injury.

In an interview this summer he stated that he had surgery to get rid of the sinus issue, and that he felt healthier than he has for several years.

I really hope this is true, Strålman is good enough to play at the NHL level and I'd love to see him as a Ranger. This is a low risk/high reward deal for the Rangers if true.

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10-25-2011, 08:56 AM
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I was originally opposed to this, but after watching last nights game, I guess I'm okay with it. Our ability to transition out of our own end is abysmal. We really miss Sauer's breakout passes and Staal's ability to headman a rush. If Stralman can provide some of that, then I'm okay with it provided that the contract is cheap.

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10-25-2011, 09:00 AM
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Coming from seeing him play for 2 years in Columbus, he is Christian Backman 2.0

There is a reason Columbus, New Jersey, and every other team passed on him. Weak Shot, decent puck carrier, HORRIBLE defensively.

If I was you guys, I would be hoping you don't pick up this guy.
I was kinda disappointed when the Blue Jackets didn't qualify him, but under those circumstances I can understand why, considering the salary they had to qualify.

However, IMO, Strålman is a better player than all of Russell, Clitsome and Martinek. What I can't understand is why they chose these guys over him and then went on handing an outragious multiyear deal to Marc ****ing Methot.

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This speaks volumes about Staal. I'll bet we don't see him until after the All Star break.

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10-25-2011, 09:09 AM
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as i said before, hes a cheap christian backman that will only cost us money. i like swedes so i say go for it.

he will add some skill to our otherwise blah blueline. he might help us get out of our own end. he skates pretty well too.

that pair of woy and em last night was pretty brutal. both are 7th guys to me.

my only concern for stral is torts the clown. hes EXACTLY the kind of player he eats for lunch. softish, euro dman.... oh boy.

go for it slats.

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10-25-2011, 09:11 AM
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If any of you really believe Eminger doesn't deserve a spot In the line-up over Stralman and Woywitka than I feel sorry for you. Have you been watching the games? Emingers been all over the place blocking shots, fighting the battles to clear the crease. Take the blinders off.

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There is a reason Columbus, New Jersey, and every other team passed on him. Weak Shot, decent puck carrier, HORRIBLE defensively.
Look at how many teams were 1-and-done with Eminger, who our management has been able to utilize. There aren't many Ranger fans who really want to see Stralman patrolling our blue-line. Given our situation, and the design of our team, it has a small possibility of working out. Even if it's temporary.

We're talking about someone who turned 25 about 2 months ago. A dmen nonetheless.

This is a minor move. We're targetting a body that has some upside, even it's very unlikely he hits that.

I don't think Stralman was plan A. Or plan B. Sather probably didn't want to give up the necessary assets for a potential band-aid.

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He's much better than Woywitka and has some offense to his game. We need a puck mover.
He's not defensively better than Woywitka. These players are polar opposites in terms of what they bring to the ice.

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As physical as a pillow. Above average first pass and puck mover, above average skater and vision. Poor shot and poor position play. Good offensive upside but I don't see how he would fit in with Torts style of play. Poor kid would be run out of town and permanently in Torts doghouse within 2 weeks.
I too worry about how he fits in on this team. Not many puck moving d-men have had success here under Torts. Even less so for supposed PP specialists. Sadly, I'd say Gilroy 2.0 is the best possible scenario and I'm just not sure that addresses the problem.

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If any of you really believe Eminger doesn't deserve a spot In the line-up over Stralman and Woywitka than I feel sorry for you. Have you been watching the games? Emingers been all over the place blocking shots, fighting the battles to clear the crease. Take the blinders off.
He's been solid, I think the worry is always that he'll falter after awhile. Someone like Stralman would supposedly bring other things to the game that Emminger doesn't (which is why Bell was given a game, but then he ****ed that up pretty bad)

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If any of you really believe Eminger doesn't deserve a spot In the line-up over Stralman and Woywitka than I feel sorry for you. Have you been watching the games? Emingers been all over the place blocking shots, fighting the battles to clear the crease. Take the blinders off.
im pretty sure hes being offered a deal to address our inability to move the puck out of our zone and perhaps the pp as well. he skates pretty well and passes decently which is exactly what we need to do more of.

so far this season we cant seem to transport pucks at all. were getting hemmed in and were getting forechecked to death due to our slow puck movement in our own end.

im sure this is an attempt to address our inabilty to create anything offensively so far.

woy and em are basically one dimensional guys. both are unable to do anything but chip pucks out which is basically a turn over at center ice imo.

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If any of you really believe Eminger doesn't deserve a spot In the line-up over Stralman and Woywitka than I feel sorry for you. Have you been watching the games? Emingers been all over the place blocking shots, fighting the battles to clear the crease. Take the blinders off.
Eminger has played well, in stretch, which is his MO throughout his career. If you're expecting that type of consistency from him over 82 games, you're betting against the house. Besides, I dont think getting Sauer back in the lineup and the addition of Stralman guarantees Eminger will sit. Erixon and even Del Zotto might be just as likely to take a seat.

Regardless, as others have mentioned, while Stralman is an upgrade over the Bells and Woywitkas of the world, this is terrible, terrible news in regard to Staal.

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What do the pairings look like with the addition of Stralman and the return of Sauer? Does it spell a return to HFD for Erixon or DZ?

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What do the pairings look like with the addition of Stralman and the return of Sauer? Does it spell a return to HFD for Erixon or DZ?
imo stralman would replace del zotto and pair up with erixon. del zotto goes to 2nd pairing with sauer and eminger stays as 7th

mcdonagh-girardi
sauer-del zotto
erixon-stralman
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when staal returns someone goes to the whale

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girardi/mcd
sauer/mdz
stralman/erixon
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looks about right i would guess

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Always think of these when I think of Stralman:





I know that's a while back when he was with Toronto, but I had high hopes for him after that. I do think being in Columbus might have hurt his development, but I doubt we're giving him any kind of serious cash and I think he has a CHANCE to be a decent puck mover for us, at least until Staal returns. If it keeps Bell/Woywitka out of the lineup, I'm happy. And for everyone who thinks it means Staal is further out... maybe it means Sauer isn't ready to come back just yet? Or maybe it's just to address the fact that our transition/puck moving is terrible. Maybe the thinking is, Hank/whoever Stralman is paired with, will hopefully bail him out if he makes a bad play and having a better puck mover in the lineup will be worth the risk?

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Next to Lidstrom Stralman is the most talented offensive defenseman Sweden has right now. Enstrom certainly isn't as talented as Stralman are. I don't know why NHL can't seem to use his exeptional potential more.

Erik Karlsson i should not forget ofcourse
This has got to be, by far, the worst overrating of Stralman I've ever seen. This is beyond ridiculous. Enstrom, Karlsson, how about Kronwall, Edler, Hedman, and OEL to name a few.

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christian backman 2.0 costing only money

hes swedish so i say go for it
This is more like it.

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What do the pairings look like with the addition of Stralman and the return of Sauer? Does it spell a return to HFD for Erixon or DZ?
No it spells more of the exerciser bike for Woywitka and Bell to the minors. Bell = Gilroy with a worse defensive sense. The guy can skate like the wind but he's got the hockeyIQ of an alpaca.

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