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10-25-2011, 09:24 AM
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Cammalleri - Plekanec - Yakupov
Pacioretty - Gaunce - Gionta

The Habs cannot get both of those guys unless they trade for someones 1st rounder or Gaunce slips alot to the 2nd round.....

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10-25-2011, 09:25 AM
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Good question. Also please to all those people who said last week, it only 5 games no need to panic - is it ok if we panic now?

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10-25-2011, 09:25 AM
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TSN just said this is the worst start they have had since 1941-42'
And yet are only 4 points out of the playoffs.

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10-25-2011, 09:26 AM
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on the bright side were not last in the league

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10-25-2011, 09:30 AM
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At least we don't have terrible teams like the leafs had for the last 40 years.
This will be bad for a season or two at most.

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10-25-2011, 09:35 AM
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At least we don't have terrible teams like the leafs had for the last 40 years.
This will be bad for a season or two at most.
agreed, The Habs have a good young core already. Price, Subban, Eller, Patches. If they suck the rest of the season, add a top end pick to that

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10-25-2011, 09:36 AM
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85% of teams in the bottom 9 to 15 in the conference do not make it to the playoffs come April so there is your answer.
85% of teams in bottom 9-15 by WHEN? Geez. Try to write intelligible posts.

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10-25-2011, 09:39 AM
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85% of teams in bottom 9-15 by WHEN? Geez. Try to write intelligible posts.
I think I read by oct 31st.

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10-25-2011, 09:46 AM
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I think I read by oct 31st.
by nov 1 only 7% of teams out of playoffs at that time ( since post lockout) have made the playoffs

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10-25-2011, 09:56 AM
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85% of teams in bottom 9-15 by WHEN? Geez. Try to write intelligible posts.
Sure...

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10-25-2011, 10:01 AM
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And yet are only 4 points out of the playoffs.
It's 10 games in...

Leaf fan here, I think that you should wait until you have a full team until you start making rash comments. Just take a look at the major pieces you are missing, and how they contributed last season, or the year before. You can't lose major pieces like that and expect to keep rolling. Also, I wouldn't count on the #1 pick this year, Columbus are seriously bad.

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10-25-2011, 10:23 AM
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Realistically speaking, the season could not have started any worse than this I don't think:

-Price and Subban regressing
-Markov being too injured to even skate/practice
-Cole being a bust so far
-Pacioretty getting hurt again
-Gomez still sucking


Not to mention being LAST IN THE EASTERN CONFERENCE.

So I pose a serious question: Realistically speaking, if someone suggested all of this would go down by this point in the season before the season, would you have thought of that as a worse case scenario?
It's the worst possible scenario. If the worst pessimist on this forum sat down and thought hard about all the worst possible things that could happen then this would be it.

As an optimist, I can only say that things can't possibly get any worse.

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10-25-2011, 10:30 AM
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It's 10 games in...

Leaf fan here, I think that you should wait until you have a full team until you start making rash comments. Just take a look at the major pieces you are missing, and how they contributed last season, or the year before. You can't lose major pieces like that and expect to keep rolling. Also, I wouldn't count on the #1 pick this year, Columbus are seriously bad.
Bingo.

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10-25-2011, 10:33 AM
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Bingo.
I don't agree, we might be so far back by then that nothing can be done, in fact, if we don't go on a pretty good run soon, it's probable.

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10-25-2011, 10:45 AM
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The point of no return is coming closer and closer. And I am talking just not making the playoffs. My biggest worry is that PG will panic, trade some good young assets for older ones in an effort to make the playoffs. We will then come close but not make it and end up with a 10 or 11th pick and not a number 1 or 2 picks.

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10-25-2011, 10:48 AM
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Only 4 points out of a playoff spot...
That is insane!

The parity in the NHL dictates that teams a few games over .500 will soon be making the playoffs.

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10-25-2011, 10:49 AM
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anybody have that link to the playoff probability site? Maybe too early yet but curious to see

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10-25-2011, 10:51 AM
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anybody have that link to the playoff probability site? Maybe too early yet but curious to see

edit: found it, who-hoo 25% chance! (yes I know,way too early)



http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html

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anybody have that link to the playoff probability site? Maybe too early yet but curious to see
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html

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10-25-2011, 10:54 AM
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The Habs were not so bad last season.

The night of the Patches incident in February the team was flying high and looked poised for great things.

What has changed since then?

losing:

Wiz
Hammer
Muller
Halpern

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10-25-2011, 10:57 AM
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The hole becomes too deep the minute management makes panicky moves - trading Plekanec, Eller, Cammy, Patches or high picks for any player that is not top tier to "plug a hole". I will assume that Price and PK are virtually untrouchable, even in this hysterical climate.

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10-25-2011, 11:03 AM
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No panic moves obviously but if we're 3/5 of the way through the season and still foundering, then we need to look to see if we can unload somebody who has value, say Gionta, Cammy or AK, for some solid young prospects/draft picks.

My untouchables from the big squad would be Price, PK, Patches, Pleks, and maybe Eller. Everyone else should be on the table

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10-25-2011, 11:18 AM
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So I pose a serious question: Realistically speaking, if someone suggested all of this would go down by this point in the season before the season, would you have thought of that as a worse case scenario?
No. not even close. Worst case scenario happened this Sept. in Yaroslavl.

In terms of on ice performance / bad luck with injuries, we are obviouisly having a very bad start. But things can always get worse, be it in hockey or in life.

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10-25-2011, 11:20 AM
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Let me start by saying I don't intend for this to be a negative nancy thread. I'm only interested in the numbers regarding our win/loss record.

How long before this is too big to recover, it's only 8 games, but 1 5 2 is horrible, we're giving away vital points. Are we there yet?

If we lose 2 out of 3 vs Bos, Bos, Phi, are we there yet? Anyone have the numbers on deficits teams have climbed back into the race from. Buffalo started bad last year if my memory serves, were they this bad early on?

I never thought this discussion would happen 10 games into the season, but it just might.
It is quite a ways away yet! Problem sometime between Xmas and the trade deadline

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10-25-2011, 11:29 AM
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I assume Molson has the final say on any trades - at least I sure as ****** hope so since JM and PG could conceivably pull short-term moves with bad long-term consequences to help shore up their jobs

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