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10-25-2011, 10:21 AM
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I have been wanting us to deal Cammalleri since last season.
To me he looks scared out there. Unless he has a clear edge for a puck battle, he simply doesn't try to win the battle. He is afraid of getting hurt. Ever since he was hit into the boards and had the leg injury he has been playing like this.

I understand that he is clutch in the playoffs. But to me, he is the most most tradeable player on the team and would fetch the biggest return.

I think he could fetch a very good prospect with size and a 1st rounder.

To me, the only guys I wouldn't trade are Price, Subban, Emelin, Markov, Pacioretty, Eller, Desharnais, Plekanec, Cole.

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10-25-2011, 10:38 AM
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Thing to remember with Cammalleri is that he is still signed for 2 years, not sure teams would want that. He has a 6 million $ cap hit and going to be paid 7 million in his final 2 seasons.

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how will he help us this year since we WON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS?

do you watch games? the guy gives a pathetic performance every night, refusing to put in an effort to win a puck battle. watching him on the pk last night was embarassing...i've never seen a guy so careless in years of watching the habs.
you said he's useless. How can a guy that is PPG with the Habs in the playoffs be frickin useless? He's also our only forward who can possibly put up 30 goal a year. You deal Cammy, then what happens? You need to search for a top goal scorer again.

This is the same story every year with Habs fans. They want to get rid of a bunch of players , then once they're traded or let go, they go and be useful elsewhere and people here start whiny threads about our ''****** asset management'' while they were the same ones who wanted them gone. Latendresse, s.kost, ribeiro, wisniewski, hamrlik... hell, how many people wanted Hamrlik to gtfo last year? A whole lot, a poster even had ''euthanize Hamrlik'' in their name. Then we let Hamrlik go, what happens? We suck on D, and fans complain we should have re-signed him.

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10-25-2011, 10:46 AM
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you said he's useless. How can a guy that is PPG with the Habs in the playoffs be frickin useless? He's also our only forward who can possibly put up 30 goal a year. You deal Cammy, then what happens? You need to search for a top goal scorer again.

This is the same story every year with Habs fans. They want to get rid of a bunch of players , then once they're traded or let go, they go and be useful elsewhere and people here start whiny threads about our ''****** asset management'' while they were the same ones who wanted them gone. Latendresse, s.kost, ribeiro, wisniewski, hamrlik... hell, how many people wanted Hamrlik to gtfo last year? A whole lot, a poster even had ''euthanize Hamrlik'' in their name. Then we let Hamrlik go, what happens? We suck on D, and fans complain we should have re-signed him.
Exactly. As I said even if the Habs are to have a horrible year we are not in rebuild mode, keep Cammalleri and Plekanec, all of the youngsters and move forward with them. Try to move some veterans that are on their final year of contract and be a solid team for next year. Something like the Flyers did and the Devils last year, they had a bad team but they didn't trade Kovalchuk, or Parise or Zajac. They drafted a hell of a player in Larsson and are still very competitive

We trade Cammalleri and then going to be looking for a pure goal scorer for another 10 years

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10-25-2011, 10:49 AM
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This is what happens when you put a great offensive player in such a defensive system. After so many years he just says "**** it".

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I was at the Bell Center "tonight" and saw him work on the PK. At one point, the Panthers were moving the puck really well (on the PP) and Cammy COMPLETELY gave up. He was just standing there doing NOTHING. He didn't even try to block the passing lanes with his stick. He just stood there, shoulder down, with a lifeless stick on one hand. I don't know if it was visible on tv but the fans near me all saw that and was like: "wtf is Cammalleri doing?"
Noticed that on TV too and had the same reaction as you.
Overrall a really disappointing game for Cammy...

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10-25-2011, 11:11 AM
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how will he help us this year since we WON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS?

do you watch games? the guy gives a pathetic performance every night, refusing to put in an effort to win a puck battle. watching him on the pk last night was embarassing...i've never seen a guy so careless in years of watching the habs.
Did you not watch the entire minute before that when he was skating back and forth trying to reach the puck, he was gassed because he was out there for the full P.K.

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10-25-2011, 11:35 AM
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he is what we thought he was....

one-dimensional, streaky scorer, who is at his best with linemates who can create a bit of space for him.

he does have a massive ego, but that actually helps him step-up in pressure situations (ie playoffs).

For our team, given the roster and the coaching, he isn't a 6M$ player, but put him on a team where he isn't paid like/expected to be the offensive catalyst, and he'd be much better suited imo.

as much as any scoring winger benefits from playing with a big-body, talented centre(or winger), Cammy strikes me as the type who would benefit immensely... Playing with Iginla brought out his best, and while not a centre, Iginla was the kind of ice presence that created the space a sniper like Cammalleri (pure shooter, not particularly strong puck skills/creativity, or at least not elite level) thrives with.

his playoff sniping is such a strong contrast from his regular season play with the habs, which begs some questions, but I think to a degree, part of what happens is that playoffs are "just-win" both for coaches & players.

Eller's play time last year, Subban's role in both past seasons, DD's ice time... all these guys got more opportunity (much more on par with their impact) and freedom than they did in the regular season... i think that reflects the subtle change in JM's head, where he's no longer as free to manipulate ice time/player limitations because winning is really all that matters (as opposed to making his point/"teaching").

i suspect this translates to all of the players in a greater sense of just doing what they need to do, even if it means straying a bit more from the "system"... for a vet like Cammy, if the results are what they were, then no one notices.


short of a coaching change, Cammy's best value to us will probably lie in trading him away, and even then, if we are out of the playoff picture by the deadline, and a team comes calling with a big offer, i think we have to jump on it

(with his salary, hard to see many playoff teams having interest due to their already tight cap situations, but there are a few bubble teams that certainly have the cap space, and perhaps if they are in the playoff hunt at that time and the ownership issues are resolved (dallas, Phx), or the owners figure the playoff ROI will be worth bumping up their salary scale (Colorado, Wpg, Ott, St.Louis), than we could see a 1st+quality prospect(s) type offer popping up... no brainer if that were to happen imo.

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10-25-2011, 11:46 AM
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he is what we thought he was....

one-dimensional, streaky scorer, who is at his best with linemates who can create a bit of space for him.

he does have a massive ego, but that actually helps him step-up in pressure situations (ie playoffs).

For our team, given the roster and the coaching, he isn't a 6M$ player, but put him on a team where he isn't paid like/expected to be the offensive catalyst, and he'd be much better suited imo.

as much as any scoring winger benefits from playing with a big-body, talented centre(or winger), Cammy strikes me as the type who would benefit immensely... Playing with Iginla brought out his best, and while not a centre, Iginla was the kind of ice presence that created the space a sniper like Cammalleri (pure shooter, not particularly strong puck skills/creativity, or at least not elite level) thrives with.

his playoff sniping is such a strong contrast from his regular season play with the habs, which begs some questions, but I think to a degree, part of what happens is that playoffs are "just-win" both for coaches & players.

Eller's play time last year, Subban's role in both past seasons, DD's ice time... all these guys got more opportunity (much more on par with their impact) and freedom than they did in the regular season... i think that reflects the subtle change in JM's head, where he's no longer as free to manipulate ice time/player limitations because winning is really all that matters (as opposed to making his point/"teaching").

i suspect this translates to all of the players in a greater sense of just doing what they need to do, even if it means straying a bit more from the "system"... for a vet like Cammy, if the results are what they were, then no one notices.


short of a coaching change, Cammy's best value to us will probably lie in trading him away, and even then, if we are out of the playoff picture by the deadline, and a team comes calling with a big offer, i think we have to jump on it

(with his salary, hard to see many playoff teams having interest due to their already tight cap situations, but there are a few bubble teams that certainly have the cap space, and perhaps if they are in the playoff hunt at that time and the ownership issues are resolved (dallas, Phx), or the owners figure the playoff ROI will be worth bumping up their salary scale (Colorado, Wpg, Ott, St.Louis), than we could see a 1st+quality prospect(s) type offer popping up... no brainer if that were to happen imo.
did you just compliment martin?

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I'd be happy to take him off your hands.

Hrmm, contract is a bit tricky. We'll give you Gonchar.

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This is mine«:

Injury prone, poor compete level in the reg season, no second effort, no hustle, lose his puck battles easily, especially against the tough guys where he just refuse to battle, doesnt play the system coming low in the def zone to help the transition.. To be honest, he is playing like someone who wants the coach's head, I dont know if he is the one who talks to Laraque knowing pretty well Laraque would make it public on the late show but this guy has an history of being a little rat in a locker room, just ask the Kings guys he played with.. If Cammy is indeed the one who go out to puke about what is supposed to be kept in the locker room, then I lose any respect for him.. His body language says alot too, the guy seems to be always bored, complaining about everything.. for example last year he is the one that said our boards were too rigid on a casual tone..

If the team keeps playing this way, I could see very well Cammy being traded at the deadline..
Mike is Mike just like Gio is Gio

nice guys but grossly overpaid , and thats the problem

he is a 60 point player on average and Gio is 50 at best

but are paid like leaders and front liners , and like I said for years , they arent
and please dont start arguing how well he played in the playoffs crap ,

there is always a Kris Kontos or Bergenheim playiff heroics but they aren`t making 6 mil

if you are expecting Mike to carry us of be am 80 poinht guy keep drinkingh the Coolaid .

Like I said before this team has no core ,and mish mashing a lineup in one offseason is going to accomplish nothing

its time to start over and stop doing what Ottawa and Calgary did , wait too long to
rebuild , and over pay the wrong people

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did you just compliment martin?
depends how you view that...

discussed it at length after the playoffs last year.

my take: Martin's stubborness hurt the team... instead of Eller/DD being able to get comfortable and develop in those greater roles that they ended up playing when it mattered, they instead had to adjust on the go during the hardest time of the year.

likewise, Martin's approach is hurting Subban's play far more than it's helping. He's a thoroughbred that Martin is trying to turn into a mule... Subban, at his best, is playing with the confidence to push the limits, and he's shown (both in the playoffs, in his AHL season, and in his WJ's performance) that when he's playing that way the "rewards" far outweigh the "risk".

so no, not a complement... a good coach doesn't change his stripes like that... adjusting is one thing, but changing the way you treat players and the way you reward effort/performance is just hypocrisy.

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I don't think we are putting them in a good position to succeed or score. His seasonal numbers are underwhelming but as long as we are in the playoffs I would keep him because of his post-season resume..

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I'd be happy to take him off your hands.

Hrmm, contract is a bit tricky. We'll give you Gonchar.
And i'll give you a bag of turds for your washed up D...

1st + prospect and trading him prior to the deadline is like selling your stock a few months before it doubles in value...

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While I like Cammalleri, I still think he is the most over-hyped player to ever wear a Habs jersey.

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For what it is worth, as a Bruins fan I always worry about Cammalleri.

Also really respect the way he plays the game.

I'd be very happy to see him move on from the division.

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you said he's useless. How can a guy that is PPG with the Habs in the playoffs be frickin useless? He's also our only forward who can possibly put up 30 goal a year. You deal Cammy, then what happens? You need to search for a top goal scorer again.
The stats don't excuse his lazy play, which has been going on since last season.

Does he ever win a puck battle? No.
Is he a good skater? No.
Can he hit? No.
Does he go to the net? No.
Kill penalties? Nope.

I'm sorry to break it to you, he's 1 dimensional player with a heavy shot. c'est tout.

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I think people confuse the idea of getting rid of cammy and trading him. If you want to get rid of him well...not sure what to say. As for trading him for something of value to us, then yes, you consider it. It's not because he's having a bad year or yada yada. Truth be told, if we were to retool i'd rather cammalleri than gionta. Gionta is solid, but cammalleri is younger and has more upside. That being said, cammalleri would get us a better return. It depends what a team offers. For a useless couple of picks(unless top 10 but why would top 10 team trade their picks lol)? Pass. For a legit blue chip prospect and a pick? Depends the prospect but you listen.

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For what it is worth, as a Bruins fan I always worry about Cammalleri.

Also really respect the way he plays the game.

I'd be very happy to see him move on from the division.
Bwahaha ! Like that's going to happen. All you have here is a few fellers blowing off a little steam. Cammy aint goin' nowhere.

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Pretty useless without the puck on his stick.

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Pretty useless without the puck on his stick.
Thing is, he's a sniper, he's not supposed to go dig the puck out of the corner. Not exactly a defensively or board specialist.

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Individually I see him as a very good player. He's our only legitimate first liner and capable of scoring 40 goals.

Collectively though, he's lumped in with other small one dimensional forwards and it hurts him. He's also been the victim of flukey injuries since we got him and it's hampered his production.

I don't think he'd be hard to trade at all and there are clubs out there making cup runs who'd pay dearly for him if they could fit him in under the cap. He's a good sniper who has shown that he can produce in the playoffs. Teams will pay for this.
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I think people confuse the idea of getting rid of cammy and trading him. If you want to get rid of him well...not sure what to say. As for trading him for something of value to us, then yes, you consider it. It's not because he's having a bad year or yada yada. Truth be told, if we were to retool i'd rather cammalleri than gionta. Gionta is solid, but cammalleri is younger and has more upside. That being said, cammalleri would get us a better return. It depends what a team offers. For a useless couple of picks(unless top 10 but why would top 10 team trade their picks lol)? Pass. For a legit blue chip prospect and a pick? Depends the prospect but you listen.
You're right, big difference between 'getting rid of' and 'trading him' for something of value. And if clubs didn't pony up something worthwhile, I'd say we just hang on to him. Dumping him for nothing makes no sense at all. There has to be value coming back the other way.

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What happened to the guy who went end to end against the Rangers in OT like it was nothing? The 80 point player in La and Cgy? Has the Montreal offense-killing disease got to him?

I can't really bash him because his playoff performances have been so incredible. It may just have been him getting hot at the right time, but he really deserves kudos for stepping up when it mattered.

Having said that I wouldn't hesitate to trade him if we get full value. He's so weak on the puck, an absolute turnover machine. Like Yanic Perreault but with better offense and worse faceoffs. All summer you hear fitness people rave about how strong he is. I heard someone say he's "pound for pound" one of the strongest guys in the league. Well I guess that proves why good fitness testing scores do not translate to the ice. Gionta and Plekanec, now there are two small guys who are strong on the puck. On a pretty soft team already Cammalleri still stands out like sore thumb.

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And i'll give you a bag of turds for your washed up D...

1st + prospect and trading him prior to the deadline is like selling your stock a few months before it doubles in value...
Hey, you guys are the ones ripping him to shreds.

If Montreal had a #1 centre this discussion wouldn't be happening.

Pleks is a great (i.e. top 5 in the NHL) #2, but you can't rely on him for primary production IMO.

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Hey, you guys are the ones ripping him to shreds.

If Montreal had a #1 centre this discussion wouldn't be happening.

Pleks is a great (i.e. top 5 in the NHL) #2, but you can't rely on him for primary production IMO.
Not all of us are ripping him to shreds. Some of us (myself included) know how much he's worth, especially to a playoff bound team at the deadline.

If we deal him it should be then and not before unless we get massive overpayment.

Not enough playoff warriors in this league and he's one of em.

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