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10-25-2011, 05:17 AM
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Tank + ship Cammy, Gomez, AK at the deadline for picks and prospects.

Rebuild with Plekanec, Gionta (as captain), Subban, Price, Eller, Yakupov/Grigorenko, Weber and Pacioretty and we'll be champs in 5 years or less.

Tanking is obviously what the fans want! So give it to us. It won't show a difference on the current bottom line whether we are 9th or 15th in the conference. In fact, more Molsons might be sold this way

This year, like last year, the team has too many holes and there I see no long term solution (were our success lies) to trade our 2nd, 3rd rounders only to finish 10th-7th and getting eliminated in the ECQF.

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10-25-2011, 05:21 AM
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Wait 20 games. And then make THE magor dupper trade.

A trade to tank or a trade to make us stronger.

Let's see if Martin can put the team in shape first, he did it two years ago with a bunch of underrated bunch of guys and it brought us to the conference finals. The guy has not become a mediocre guy in the span of one season, right? Wait 20 games, then make big trade or fire JM.

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10-25-2011, 06:59 AM
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Wait 20 games. And then make THE magor dupper trade.

A trade to tank or a trade to make us stronger.

Let's see if Martin can put the team in shape first, he did it two years ago with a bunch of underrated bunch of guys and it brought us to the conference finals. The guy has not become a mediocre guy in the span of one season, right? Wait 20 games, then make big trade or fire JM.
Outstanding goaltending made him a good coach, average goaltending has made him expendable.

I think any coach can win with outstanding goaltending (see Perron), the good coaches can win with average goaltending.

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10-25-2011, 07:25 AM
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Outstanding goaltending made him a good coach, average goaltending has made him expendable.

I think any coach can win with outstanding goaltending (see Perron), the good coaches can win with average goaltending.
Ain't that the truth ruth!

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10-25-2011, 08:15 AM
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Major trade?

Thats a laugh. Our team is never involved in any major trades. Besides, who do we have that can get us a good return..? Gomez...? Only we are the loons that traded for that waste of space. Markov..? Still out - no takers.

Biggest problem with this team is the stupid signings and spending money on stupidity: Markov, Cole, Gomez - how much money do we have tied up in these pylons?






"....One more loss! Two more loss! Ten more loss! Haaaaaaaaa!"

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10-25-2011, 08:26 AM
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If the team is still in trouble at x-mas then trade everyone with any value exept the future core guys, and tank the hell out of the rest of the season....

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10-25-2011, 08:28 AM
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Major trade?

Thats a laugh. Our team is never involved in any major trades. Besides, who do we have that can get us a good return..? Gomez...? Only we are the loons that traded for that waste of space. Markov..? Still out - no takers.

Biggest problem with this team is the stupid signings and spending money on stupidity: Markov, Cole, Gomez - how much money do we have tied up in these pylons?






"....One more loss! Two more loss! Ten more loss! Haaaaaaaaa!"
You can ***** about Gomez but calling Cole and Markov pylons is plain and simple ridiculous. Markov at 5.7 is a huge bargain if he comes back playing like before his injury. Cole at 4.5 is hardly a huge contract for a guy with size and speed who is one of the more physical wingers in the NHL and can pot 20-25 a year.

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10-25-2011, 08:31 AM
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You can ***** about Gomez but calling Cole and Markov pylons is plain and simple ridiculous. Markov at 5.7 is a huge bargain if he comes back playing like before his injury. Cole at 4.5 is hardly a huge contract for a guy with size and speed who is one of the more physical wingers in the NHL and can pot 20-25 a year.
The key word on Markov is IF he comes back playing like he did. My opinon, too injury prone and too high risk.

As far as Cole, time will tell.

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10-25-2011, 08:33 AM
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I must admit, this is entertaining. Never would I have tough that we'd be in last place.
Looking at some highlight of Yakapov and man I tell you I'm getting exited. It's not fun looking at a loosing team but perhaps we are due. Management set this team up I believe. They must have known it'd be hard to compete with so many question mark. Add to the fact that they had over 60 guys at camp and it tells me they had to see what they hold(before you fold)

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10-25-2011, 08:34 AM
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We should do what the Oilers have done during the last 3 years

Now their future looks bright

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10-25-2011, 08:35 AM
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We should do what the Oilers have done during the last 3 years

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NO....NO not 3 years of this!

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10-25-2011, 08:42 AM
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Team is too small - can't compete with the likes of a Philly or Boston-type. We will continue to be destroyed unless this team gets size and grit.

You would think the organization learned their lesson from the waste of time and money spent on Koivu for so long but nope. Lets keep getting small guys, no character or grit.

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10-25-2011, 09:04 AM
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We should do what the Oilers have done during the last 3 years

Now their future looks bright
One year of this losing treatment will suffice as long as we don't gut the team in the process.

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10-25-2011, 09:21 AM
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We should do what the Oilers have done during the last 3 years

Now their future looks bright
I think 3 years is too much, 1 year is ok though. Tank the hell out of this season, trade a few older guys for picks if they can and keep the core young guys..

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10-25-2011, 09:23 AM
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Outstanding goaltending made him a good coach, average goaltending has made him expendable.

I think any coach can win with outstanding goaltending (see Perron), the good coaches can win with average goaltending.
Sure but that just meant he had one great player at that particular point in time. The Caps had AO, Gree, Semin, Backstrum and a supporting cast supposely better than the Habs. So Martin did come up with an environment that made the team to succeed. Put the right players on the ice.

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10-25-2011, 10:39 AM
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We should do what the Oilers have done during the last 3 years

Now their future looks bright
The oilers have sickkkk prospects. It would take a huge tanking and serious luck on our end to get the young talent they have. It's not going to happen. The molson's like this whole battle for the last playoff spot get booted in the first round thing.

I will say it again, it's a lot easier to battle for the last playoff spot every year by spending to the max cap then it is to risk tanking and building up slowly to go for it all. It's not like we've been stockpiling young talent the past 3-5 years. We have a really really bad set of prospects coming up with no hope for the future. Tanking would require several drafts/good trades to rebuild our talent pool.

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10-25-2011, 11:18 AM
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I posted this in another topic. My opinion is that we should tank dut to the circumstances.

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What about making it... incredible?

Let's take a few teams with whom we could trade:
-Nashville: A.Kost + 4th VS 1st Pick +7th
-Los Angeles: Moen VS 2nd pick (The don't have the space for it but only by sending anybody down, they'd be ok)
-Colorado: Cammalleri + Gorges VS Landeskog + 2nd pick
-Pittsburgh: Gionta VS 1st pick

three 1st picks, three 2nd picks and Landeskog.
HUGE STEP BACK. BUT THAT'S TANKING. We go for Yakupo, grigorenko and co and the next year for Mackinnon and co. We keep Plekanec, Subban, Pacioretty, Eller and Price. And in two years, we have Plekanec who'd be about to give its best year, Price as a perennial top-3, an experienced Subban, two established top-6 wingers (Pacio and Lanskog) and a good asset in Gorges. Add to that the ''unknowns'' that are UFAs and the group of new young talent.

PS: I know that this will never happen, but if anybody who'd be Montreal's GM wanted to, the team could go that way and like Tampa Bay, we'd be soon (in 2 seasons) be back as cup contenders.

And if any team is offended by the offers, be sure that I made it quick just to show that going the ''future'' way can be quick.

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10-25-2011, 11:31 AM
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Team is too small - can't compete with the likes of a Philly or Boston-type. We will continue to be destroyed unless this team gets size and grit.

You would think the organization learned their lesson from the waste of time and money spent on Koivu for so long but nope. Lets keep getting small guys, no character or grit.
Your post makes no sense, most guys that are small and in the NHL have made it there because of character and grit. Do you think Desharnais or Gionta would be in the NHL if they were not gritty and had character?

Since Gauthier took over most of the new additions have brought size...Eller Cole Tinordi Emelin Nokelainen Blunden.

Boston and Phillie have tons of small guys, you make it sound like they win because they are big, which is BS.

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10-25-2011, 11:40 AM
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How was the relationship between martin and J-Bo back in the days in Florida?

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Team is too small - can't compete with the likes of a Philly or Boston-type. We will continue to be destroyed unless this team gets size and grit.

You would think the organization learned their lesson from the waste of time and money spent on Koivu for so long but nope. Lets keep getting small guys, no character or grit.
You were making sense until the Koivu remark. He had more grit than most of this year's team combined. He was a warrior for this team. They just surrounded him with clowns and castoffs.

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10-25-2011, 12:23 PM
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You were making sense until the Koivu remark. He had more grit than most of this year's team combined. He was a warrior for this team. They just surrounded him with clowns and castoffs.
Ok, completely off topic but who is the woman in your avatar? Rose McGowan (sp)?

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How was the relationship between martin and J-Bo back in the days in Florida?
The only way I'd make that type of deal is if Gomez was going the other way. J-bo's contract is as bad as Gomez' at 6.8 mil per year

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The only way I'd make that type of deal is if Gomez was going the other way. J-bo's contract is as bad as Gomez' at 6.8 mil per year
i agree about Gomez going the other way, but JBo's contract isn't even remotely as bad as Gomez's...

JBo is a 24-25min/night workorse dman who can play effectively in all areas. He hasn't lived up to expectations, but he still gives the Flames very good quality and consistency as their #1 dman (arguably 1a/1b with giordano)

Gomez has played dramatically below expectations, has been anything but consistent (or perhaps, consistently unproductive), and gives the team next to nothing in his role as the #2 centre...

moving forward, with Eller showing he can/should get the 2nd line C role/minutes, Gomez's use will/should be scaled back even further than the 15min he's been getting this year.

25min/g @ 6.7M$ >>>>>>>>>>>> 15min/g @ 7.4M$


mind you, from ownerships pov, if the only concern is $$, than I suppose Gomez does close that gap a bit starting next year.

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10-25-2011, 01:28 PM
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You can ***** about Gomez but calling Cole and Markov pylons is plain and simple ridiculous. Markov at 5.7 is a huge bargain if he comes back playing like before his injury. Cole at 4.5 is hardly a huge contract for a guy with size and speed who is one of the more physical wingers in the NHL and can pot 20-25 a year.
Cole is overpaid and signed for too long. He would fetch very little if almost nothing in a trade. Overall on the entire year, he's looked like he did in Edmonton, a regressing older player with size.

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Where are all the Pierre McGuire bashers now? Three years later and it's exactly how he predicted....a failed science expirement. We will never be an above average team with a core of Gionta, Gomez and Cammy (throw in Cole as well). Too small, too brittle, too useless and too expensive for too many years. Also, if people paid attention to him, they would not be so shocked at the terrible managment style of Jacques Martin. As McGuire put it - passive resistance.

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