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10-25-2011, 01:13 PM
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He's a talented player but he is just on the bad end of a numbers game. He got unlucky as Burke wanted to showcase players like Gunnarsson and Komisarek, and give time to Gardiner to show the prospects that if they played good enough the team would give them time if they deserved it.

Unfortunately for Franson, Gunnarsson has played himself into being a potential long-term option for this team and Komisarek has played himself into being dead weight. So that leaves moving Franson for that forward that Burke wants.

Franson didn't help matters by voicing his annoyance with Wilson. I'm not sure it has anything to do with Burke. Wilson has been known to be hard on guys and it looks like Franson is now that guy as a result of his public speech. Burke probably wants to give the guy a shot at playing with a team in their top 6 (as he's long been known as a players GM, giving a fair shot to guys that wouldn't get it).
Franson's issue is that, in his head, he's a better player than he actually is. On the way out of Nashville, he took some shots at Trotz for not letting him play more minutes, letting him play NO PK minutes, and keeping him relatively sheltered. He was convinced it would be different in Toronto -- but...all of those things happened for a reason. He's incredibly immobile, doesn't use his size, gets caught with bad pinches left and right, and really can only contribute a great snapshot. He is what he is= a pretty good bottom pairing defenseman and second pairing PP specialist. His potential was overrated at the time of the trade--what you see is what you get. He's not likely to somehow get faster, so he'll continue to be what he is.

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10-25-2011, 01:14 PM
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No way habs get involved for Franson unless the deal is too good to pass up. We have enough inexperienced defencmen in the lineup. If he comes to the habs, he'll only wind up playing as a forward... Yeah, I know, it's stupid. We'd have a 4th line of Weber-Emelin-Franson... Funny, but sad.

I wouldn't mind having him if we ship Weber or Diaz and ends up being an upgrade or equivalent to either one of them, because we could get something good in return of Weber/Diaz, but it will never happen.

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10-25-2011, 01:15 PM
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10-25-2011, 01:17 PM
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Thank you.

Christ. Nashville barely gave up anything for Franson, why the hell would we give up a legit prospect who has put up roughly .5 PPG in his limited NHL experience, albeit one who is currently in his coach's doghouse.

Franson's a useful, fairly young d-man, but I wouldn't give up somebody with the upside of Omark. I'd definitely pass over Peckham for him though. I think the Oilers have other guys who are as good or better than Peckham in the truculence and defensive ability tangibles, and certainly who are better all-around. As far as guys on the Oilers depth chart who either are or soon will be, in my humble opinion, better than Peckham:

In the now and near future:
Whitney
Gilbert
Smid
Potter
Petry
Teubert

In the not-too-distant future:
Klefbom
Fedun

Whereas Franson could be a more useful player for at least a year or two while Petry, Teubert, Klefbom and Fedun are rounding out.

Franson for Peckham with maybe minor additions on either side would work for me. And I have a feeling that Peckham is exactly the kind of guy that Burke likes to have around on hand as well.
So you want to trade a big physical D, that will go toe to toe to protect his teammates for a soft D, especially when EDM is load with soft puck moving D. Montreal and others would give a lot more for Peckham. Your reasoning doesn't make sense. As to Omark, if EDM need a D like Franson, I couldn't kick Omarks butt on to the plane fast enough, but they don't.

Trading for Franson hurts EDM, more then it helps IMO.

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10-25-2011, 01:17 PM
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Leafs/Habs:

Franson+Komisarek for Gomez+pick


Montreal gets some d, Toronto gets a "top 6" forward, Lucic get's his punching bag back on the Habs. Everybody wins!

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10-25-2011, 01:18 PM
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Leafs/Habs:

Franson+Komisarek for Gomez+pick


Montreal gets some d, Toronto gets a "top 6" forward, Lucic get's his punching bag back on the Habs. Everybody wins!
i wouldn't do that for Komisarek alone. let alone add franson

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10-25-2011, 01:19 PM
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Im suprised none of you have learned, Burkie keeps his cards close to his chest.
If their is a rumor swirling around about the leafs it probably means that their is no truth to it.
The only trade I can think of that was known before it was done, was the Kessel trade.
Who knows though.

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10-25-2011, 01:19 PM
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why the hell would we trade him for a third round pick? haha if we couldnt get more (which we could) we'd be better of just keeping him.

he's still young and has only played 3 games? sheeshpa

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10-25-2011, 01:24 PM
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Don't see the Habs being interested in Franson. Diaz has fit in nicely and Weber has shown progression and is starting to play more minutes effectively. Franson may have a bigger/taller body than those guys, but I don't see him displacing them or representing any significant upgrade.

I don't see bottom-pairing/shelter-requiring depth defenseman as being a need for the Habs. They could use a top-4 guy who can do the sheltering, but nothing less. Hopefully Markov comes back and stays back and can provide that, since it seems like the market is going to offer mostly bottom-pairing guys, and the price for true top-4 reliability is understandably out of Montreal's reach.
If fits nicely means second last in the nhl then so be it. People have neglected to acknowledge that Franson is young and has potential to improve.

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10-25-2011, 01:31 PM
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Franson and a 4th to Anaheim for Vancouver's 3rd.

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10-25-2011, 01:36 PM
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I'd be down for using Franson as a sweetener for a straight Komi salary dump. Something like:

To team in need of dmen:
- Franson
- Komisarek

To Leafs:
- useless player signed for 1 year, without a NMC, making a max of $3-4 mil or so, who can be waived and sent to the Marlies


Anyone think their team would be down for something like that? It'd obviously require Komi waiving his NMC, but I think he would. The Leafs would lose two decent dmen, but would be free of Komi's contract (who is signed for this year and the next 2), and we have enough depth that losing these guys isn't a big deal:

Gunnar - Phaneuf
Liles - Schenn
Gardiner - Aulie


And from the point of view of the other team, if they're not a team up against the cap then they're basically getting Franson for free, and Komi for cheap (he makes $5.5 mil in real money this year, but if the Leafs eat $3-4 mil coming back that's just $1.5-2 mil, and he makes $3.5 mil in real money each of the next 2 years).

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10-25-2011, 01:40 PM
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Using Versteeg as the model, Burke will deal him sooner rather than later to max out his value, with the right team he can be as high as a 3, and no worse than a 5.

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10-25-2011, 01:42 PM
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That package won't get you a top 6 forward. Any package with Komisarek won't get you a top 6 forward.
Toronto did get a borderline top-6 player with a package involving Lebderp.

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10-25-2011, 01:52 PM
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If fits nicely means second last in the nhl then so be it. People have neglected to acknowledge that Franson is young and has potential to improve.
But same goes for Weber and Diaz (and Emelin). The point is that Franson doesn't change that equation any. They're all young and have potential to improve. None helps stabilize the Habs' D in any meaningful way. Young bottom-pairing d-men with offensive upside who need some defensive sheltering are simply not something that the Habs need more of, whether the team finishes last in the NHL or not. The team needs something more than that.

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Despite Hartnell's good game last night, I am sure he could be had out of Philly. Only problem is we don't have the contract spots to do a two for one.

Hartnell +?

for

Bozak
Franson

We would need to include maybe an AHL'er in there to even out the contracts.

Looking at Capgeek.com though really doesnt make a trade between these two teams involving both Franson and Hartnell very viable unless Toronto dumped someone like Armstrong or MacArthur into the deal and Philly added.

Hartnell
Walker/Lilja
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Franson
MacArthur

Just a thought, still can't see it though.

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I can see the Flyers doing the same for Hartnell.
I would do this deal in a hearbeat.
Franson just isn't fitting in on this team, and with Lombardi's recovery Bozak's spot as 3rd line C is easily replaced. (So are his faceoff abilities by Steckell).

Hartnell would be an upgrade over MacArthur in the top 6.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling alot of other Philly fans might disagree with you on this deal.




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Franson and Kadri for Bourque
...and people say Leafs fans overvalue their players...!

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Franson for Fistric +

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10-25-2011, 02:02 PM
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Still don't think that he's being shopped though. He may be available but unless a good offer comes he'll stay.

This is a guy who has scored nearly 30 points last year..He has played 2 games and one of them involved Komisarek as his partner and playing in on the left side which he isn't used to.

Only reason he's even available is because Gardiner Expressway has been an absolute stud. Hopefully they just sit Komisarek and play Franson..

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Franson + Mac for Dubinsky?

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Franson + Mac for Dubinsky?
NY has no reason to do that.

I'd be happy if we could a 2nd for him. Unlikely though.

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If Steckel is worth a 4th, Franson is worth more than a 3rd, look at precedent people, I said the same thing about both Versteeg and Kaberle, so give your heads a shake.

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If Steckel is worth a 4th, Franson is worth more than a 3rd, look at precedent people, I said the same thing about both Versteeg and Kaberle, so give your heads a shake.
Burke can do better than a 3rd... Look at his last 5 trades.

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10-25-2011, 02:28 PM
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NY has no reason to do that.

I'd be happy if we could a 2nd for him. Unlikely though.
Fair enough, just throwing it out there.

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10-25-2011, 02:30 PM
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I tried telling people that Toronto didn't fleece Nashville in the deal...

I'll say it again. The biggest loser in the trade was Franson because he wouldn't be part of Trotz's airtight system.

Franson is a poor mans Souray. Less offense and a million times less toughness.

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I'd throw a second or a lower pick and a lesser prospect Toronto's way. Even something like a 3rd and Rome, if Toronto fans would be listening to that.

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