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10-28-2011, 03:04 PM
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Txpd: I've seen those d o g penalties before. I don't think possession is a requirement.

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10-28-2011, 03:32 PM
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I love the Capitals in the east, and I'll be rooting for them this year (again). Love your team, love Ovi. Can't comment on the game because I missed it. Please murderdeathkill the 41-year old virgins tomorrow night!

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10-28-2011, 04:01 PM
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Txpd: I've seen those d o g penalties before. I don't think possession is a requirement.
How did everyone else see that play? I saw it as the guy was sending it in, Carlson stuck out his stick, the puck deflected off the stick and out of play.

If that is a penalty why isn't it a penalty every time a defender deflects the puck out of play when they are in their own zone?

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10-28-2011, 04:08 PM
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How did everyone else see that play? I saw it as the guy was sending it in, Carlson stuck out his stick, the puck deflected off the stick and out of play.

If that is a penalty why isn't it a penalty every time a defender deflects the puck out of play when they are in their own zone?
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10-28-2011, 04:40 PM
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I hope that when Edmonton gets a new arena the keep the same camera position where the benches are on the close side. Is Rexall Place the only arena like this? Much better, IMO.
Yup, only arena that does it. Most people don't catch it at first, but once you see it, you can't unsee it.

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10-28-2011, 04:47 PM
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I'm not sure how you look at that Carlson penalty as anything other than that. He smacked the puck over the glass. If it doesn't happen off a deflection, it's a penalty.
the penalty call implies control. waving at a puck 3 feet in the air with the idea that he had any control over where it went is wrong. its as much a deflection as getting a stick in the way of a shot or pass that leaves the arena.

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10-28-2011, 04:52 PM
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Txpd: I've seen those d o g penalties before. I don't think possession is a requirement.

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oh, i believe the fault there is in the rule and not the referee. the rule is there to keep a player from shooting the puck over the glass. that implies that he had enough control to shoot/pass the puck. contact with a puck in the air is a different condition.

anyway...what we had there was one penalty for holding a stick with your legs, batting a puck in the air out of play. grabbing a puck in the air to clear rather than batting it with the open hand. those are three penalties that are no less than once a year things.

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10-28-2011, 05:22 PM
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Yup, only arena that does it. Most people don't catch it at first, but once you see it, you can't unsee it.
I wish more had it like this.

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10-28-2011, 05:52 PM
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Txpd: gotchya. I agree. I believe that only controlled pucks off the blade that go directly into the seats should be penalties.

Anything else should be a face off like icing... No changes. Deflections from swing stick ala jc last night, punching it into stands, controlled shots into benches or deflecting off glass into seats.... No changing.

Milhaus: I saw it as him swinging his stick at the airborne puck and sticks energy made puck clear glass... Where blocking deflections the energy is from the shooter.

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10-28-2011, 07:46 PM
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oh, i believe the fault there is in the rule and not the referee. the rule is there to keep a player from shooting the puck over the glass. that implies that he had enough control to shoot/pass the puck. contact with a puck in the air is a different condition.

anyway...what we had there was one penalty for holding a stick with your legs, batting a puck in the air out of play. grabbing a puck in the air to clear rather than batting it with the open hand. those are three penalties that are no less than once a year things.
If batting the puck out of the air wasn't so easily done by these pros I might agree, but most of them can smack a puck out of the air at will.

The rule clearly defines itself. There's no requirement to be SHOOTING.

63.1 Delaying the Game – A player or a team may be penalized when, in the opinion of the Referee, is delaying the game in any manner.

63.2 Minor Penalty

A minor penalty for delay of game shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who deliberately shoots or bats (using his hand or his stick) the puck outside the playing area during the play or after a stoppage of play.

When any player, while in his defending zone, shoots or bats (using his hand or his stick) the puck directly (non-deflected) out of the playing surface, except where there is no glass, a penalty shall be assessed for delaying the game. When the puck is shot into the players’ bench, the penalty will not apply. When the puck is shot over the glass ‘behind’ the players’ bench, the penalty will be assessed.

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10-28-2011, 07:50 PM
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Milhaus: I saw it as him swinging his stick at the airborne puck and sticks energy made puck clear glass... Where blocking deflections the energy is from the shooter.
Yes but unless the shot or pass was heading off the rink it was the additional energy generated from the block that changed the direction and actually got it over the glass.

This comes down to at what point does deflecting become batting? If your stick is just sitting there then it is definitely just a deflection but if you are moving your stick at the puck you could easily make the case that you are batting the puck and thus that should be called a lot more often, not that I want that.

There are going to be plenty of cases this year where guys will be swinging their sticks to block passes and shots and send pucks off the rink as a result and no penalty will be called. I don't see his as any different.

But whatever, I don't blame one call for the loss or anything like that, I just see it as a really sketchy call.

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10-28-2011, 08:09 PM
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Would definitely like clarity and simplicity. Less judgement. That's why I like my preference. Little ambiguity... Like the 2 ft inbound rule in nfl. The removed the "forced out" catch to remove judgement and bring clarity.

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10-28-2011, 08:27 PM
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If batting the puck out of the air wasn't so easily done by these pros I might agree, but most of them can smack a puck out of the air at will.

The rule clearly defines itself. There's no requirement to be SHOOTING.

63.1 Delaying the Game – A player or a team may be penalized when, in the opinion of the Referee, is delaying the game in any manner.

63.2 Minor Penalty

A minor penalty for delay of game shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who deliberately shoots or bats (using his hand or his stick) the puck outside the playing area during the play or after a stoppage of play.

When any player, while in his defending zone, shoots or bats (using his hand or his stick) the puck directly (non-deflected) out of the playing surface, except where there is no glass, a penalty shall be assessed for delaying the game. When the puck is shot into the players’ bench, the penalty will not apply. When the puck is shot over the glass ‘behind’ the players’ bench, the penalty will be assessed.
good god...is this that important to you? you win....

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10-28-2011, 08:29 PM
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I wish more had it like this.
I didn't like the camera position at all. I like being able to see who is going off and who is coming on. You really don't gain much by pointing it at the penalty boxes.

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Would definitely like clarity and simplicity. Less judgement. That's why I like my preference. Little ambiguity... Like the 2 ft inbound rule in nfl. The removed the "forced out" catch to remove judgement and bring clarity.
I know it's apples and oranges and I promise that this will be my last reference to soccer for some time, but if you want less judgement in hockey you can forget about it when it comes to soccer. With soccer, always taught that the most important/powerful words that appear within the soccer laws is in Law 5 which deals with the Referee, and the words are "in the opinion of the referee".

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I know it's apples and oranges and I promise that this will be my last reference to soccer for some time, but if you want less judgement in hockey you can forget about it when it comes to soccer. With soccer, always taught that the most important/powerful words that appear within the soccer laws is in Law 5 which deals with the Referee, and the words are "in the opinion of the referee".
Soccer rules are written by corrupt organizations to perpetuate corrupt officiating.

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10-29-2011, 09:01 AM
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Just thought I'd mention for the Canucks game, that our vets are not there yet, so you guys should continue on your winning journey.

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10-29-2011, 09:27 AM
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Just thought I'd mention for the Canucks game, that our vets are not there yet, so you guys should continue on your winning journey.

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well...we still have leonsis, mcphee, boudreau, semin, schultz, and is hamrlik now in that group?

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10-29-2011, 12:27 PM
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I didn't like the camera position at all. I like being able to see who is going off and who is coming on. You really don't gain much by pointing it at the penalty boxes.
Well you actually can identify who is coming on and off as one can actually see the name plate which is easier for my old eyes than the traditional camera placement. To each is own :-).

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10-29-2011, 06:06 PM
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Well you actually can identify who is coming on and off as one can actually see the name plate which is easier for my old eyes than the traditional camera placement. To each is own :-).
Fair enough. I never considered that being an issue. With an HD set and powerful glasses, I can usually see who is coming on without much trouble.

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