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Would you play Gill or Emelin?

View Poll Results: Would you make Gill a healthy scratch in order to play Emelin?
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10-28-2011, 12:44 PM
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Come the playoffs (yes Habs will be there) a healthy and rested Gill and Spacek is important. I would rotate/scratch them along with Diaz and Emelin.

Having said that, I want to believe when Markov gets back, Emelin's performance with go to another level with the russian tutelage...
That language issue really is a big one imo.

Who talks to him during games right now? I imagine there are things you need to know out there, coaches messages, positioning etc. Good hockey players are always communicating. I can't imagine playing in the strongest league in the world and not understanding a thing the coaching staff or teammates are saying.

I wonder how exactly that works. Do they have a translator for him?

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10-28-2011, 12:51 PM
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That language issue really is a big one imo.

Who talks to him during games right now? I imagine there are things you need to know out there, coaches messages, positioning etc. Good hockey players are always communicating. I can't imagine playing in the strongest league in the world and not understanding a thing the coaching staff or teammates are saying.

I wonder how exactly that works. Do they have a translator for him?
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10-28-2011, 12:58 PM
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Yeah I thought of that but I don't remember ever seeing the two talk. Could very well be that I simply didn't notice though. Seems to me Andrei is a bit on the reserved side.

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10-28-2011, 01:08 PM
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You "Sit Gill" people have to look at the big picture.
Seriously.

Gill is NOT flashy. He's not mobile and he's about as slow as a grandma at Costco with a shopping cart full of adult diapers.

But he has way more experience and if given a choice between Gill and Emelin, with under 5 NHL games under his belt, any coach, ANY COACH in the NHL would choose Hal Gill over Alexei Emelin to be on the ice as he is the best option of the two to field a WINNING line-up.
Gill also brings a tonne of leadership which makes other players around him better.
And his value on the PK is huge.

Not to disparage Emelin. I really like what I see and think he'll be a solid d-man in the NHL. But right now? I choose Gill the Thrill.

Maybe the poll should be Emelin or Diaz. I'd rotate those two depending on the opponent. More physical opponent = Emelin.

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10-28-2011, 01:13 PM
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You "Sit Gill" people have to look at the big picture.
Seriously.

Gill is NOT flashy. He's not mobile and he's about as slow as a grandma at Costco with a shopping cart full of adult diapers.

But he has way more experience and if given a choice between Gill and Emelin, with under 5 NHL games under his belt, any coach, ANY COACH in the NHL would choose Hal Gill over Alexei Emelin to be on the ice as he is the best option of the two to field a WINNING line-up.
Gill also brings a tonne of leadership which makes other players around him better.
And his value on the PK is huge.

Not to disparage Emelin. I really like what I see and think he'll be a solid d-man in the NHL. But right now? I choose Gill the Thrill.

Maybe the poll should be Emelin or Diaz. I'd rotate those two depending on the opponent. More physical opponent = Emelin.
Interesting choice of words.

Agreed though, about Gill anyway.

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10-28-2011, 01:13 PM
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Yeah I thought of that but I don't remember ever seeing the two talk. Could very well be that I simply didn't notice though. Seems to me Andrei is a bit on the reserved side.
Well I would they must from time to time since Kostitsyn is the only one that speaks Russian on the team until Markov is back.

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10-28-2011, 01:16 PM
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Well I would they must from time to time since Kostitsyn is the only one that speaks Russian on the team until Markov is back.
I don't want to insinuate that I know Andrei Kostitsyn personally, but from interviews, watching him on the bench he doesn't look like the most talkative guy out there. Not to mention he is a forward and Emelin is a D. They aren't sitting near each other on the bench. When Ladouceur talks to his defensemen on the bench it's not like Andrei can get in there and listen and translate.

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10-28-2011, 01:32 PM
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I don't want to insinuate that I know Andrei Kostitsyn personally, but from interviews, watching him on the bench he doesn't look like the most talkative guy out there. Not to mention he is a forward and Emelin is a D. They aren't sitting near each other on the bench. When Ladouceur talks to his defensemen on the bench it's not like Andrei can get in there and listen and translate.
Well it's my understanding that Emelin understands English somewhat but doesn't speak it well, plus I'm sure if there's an issue they would go to Kostitsyn if they had to.

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10-28-2011, 01:48 PM
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Well it's my understanding that Emelin understands English somewhat but doesn't speak it well, plus I'm sure if there's an issue they would go to Kostitsyn if they had to.
Oh I see. I thought he didn't understand it at all.

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10-28-2011, 06:25 PM
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How about both? Play Emelin on the 3rd pairing regularly to give him some consistency and experience, and keep Gill as a 7th for special teams duty.

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10-28-2011, 06:31 PM
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I said no for now. The habs D is still too green, I don't want 3 inexperienced d every game. When Markov comes back and you want to give a guy a night off, I have np or if you want to sub him in with diaz/weber on occasion, by all means, 3 rookies on d is too much.

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10-28-2011, 07:15 PM
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I think Emelin will play next game and Diaz will sit
Diaz should not be sitting. He's playing great, saved a goal last night. No reason to sit him.

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10-28-2011, 07:19 PM
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You have to play Gill. It always takes him time to get his timing - which is crucial due to his obvious lack of speed. Emelin will get his chances.

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10-30-2011, 10:18 AM
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Article today suggests when Markov comes back it will put Emelin into the 8 spot on D and to Hamilton where he then may decide to go home. The big picture should be to let Markov and Yemelin practice together and then rotate Gill, Spacek and Emelin throughout the year. Next year Gill is gone and Emelin stays in the lineup.
You may only have one extra forward for the black aces, but you don't lose Emelin!
Of course when Campoli comes back you have another issue, but you KEEP all these Dmen around and rotate to keep them fresh for a long season.

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Article today suggests when Markov comes back it will put Emelin into the 8 spot on D and to Hamilton where he then may decide to go home. The big picture should be to let Markov and Yemelin practice together and then rotate Gill, Spacek and Emelin throughout the year. Next year Gill is gone and Emelin stays in the lineup.
You may only have one extra forward for the black aces, but you don't lose Emelin!
Of course when Campoli comes back you have another issue, but you KEEP all these Dmen around and rotate to keep them fresh for a long season.
Yeah this is what I've been concerned about. There is no question about Emelin's skills and losing him in this way would be unfortunate. Sorry I'm dumb re: waivers. Emelin, Diaz and Weber, where do they stand -- do they have to clear waivers to be sent to Hamilton?

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How about both? Play Emelin on the 3rd pairing regularly to give him some consistency and experience, and keep Gill as a 7th for special teams duty.
You know what, that's not a bad idea, and it would get Darche the F off this team too!

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Spacek has been awesome. He blocked 21 shots in the last three games. Outstanding.

As for the poll, I would keep Gill. We all know he is a premier defensive d-man, but he always has slow starts to his seasons. Let him play it out and he will drastically improve by the end. How easily do some posters forget that he has always been the key to our PK?

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10-30-2011, 10:49 AM
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It won't be long before another D goes down...

It is rare to play all 82 games now.

Emelin will get his chance.

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It won't be long before another D goes down...

It is rare to play all 82 games now.

Emelin will get his chance.
yes.

+ the Habs could not afford to dig themselves into a deeper hole to start the season. They needed Gill's experience.


Price has also stepped up his game.

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You know what, that's not a bad idea, and it would get Darche the F off this team too!
Bad idea. We have a 4th line that is clicking. Don't touch it. Especially to play a D-man up front.

Yemelin will have his chances later.


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I would rotate the D men. Keeps them fresh.

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Article today suggests when Markov comes back it will put Emelin into the 8 spot on D and to Hamilton where he then may decide to go home. The big picture should be to let Markov and Yemelin practice together and then rotate Gill, Spacek and Emelin throughout the year. Next year Gill is gone and Emelin stays in the lineup.
You may only have one extra forward for the black aces, but you don't lose Emelin!
Of course when Campoli comes back you have another issue, but you KEEP all these Dmen around and rotate to keep them fresh for a long season.
No way I know he's at the bottom end now, but IMO they will want to test Markov and Emelin together before anything else. I think it'll make a world of difference when he's playing with the best Russian Defenceman since Fetisov.

I know it's not popular, but send off Diaz (unfortunate, but the contracts permit it).
we all know it's temporary, and there is a spot for him on this team.

IMO we have a plethora of defencemen. I think Gauthier will swing a move or two with a couple of them.

But I digress you dont throw away a talent like Emelin... That's a big drawback to this team if he does that.

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Gill has been horrible. We couldn't be any worse with whomever we put in there to be honest.

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Gill is a beast on the PK that's why he's here. Unfortunately the injuries require him to play outside his comfort zone of minutes. Emelin can't replace Gill on the PK.

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I've been seeing some rotation posts. Sounds like a good idea to me, Gill's a key guy on our PK, and is great in the dressing room, so I don't think I'd sit Gill all the time for Emelin, although Emelin will be a large part of our future success, I say we rotate him in and out of games with Spacek and Gill, more so Spacek.

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Yeah this is what I've been concerned about. There is no question about Emelin's skills and losing him in this way would be unfortunate. Sorry I'm dumb re: waivers. Emelin, Diaz and Weber, where do they stand -- do they have to clear waivers to be sent to Hamilton?
For sure Diaz doesnt... which is why I think he goes before the fate of Emelin is decided. I bet he knows he's here filling in for Markov IMO.

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