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Do you like Jacques Martin as Habs coach?

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Yes 105 42.00%
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10-31-2011, 04:21 PM
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I forget about him when we are winning games.

I remember who he is when we go on a 5 game losing streak.

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10-31-2011, 04:22 PM
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Detroit is a puck possession team. So is Pittsburgh.

The Canadiens are a long way away from being called a puck possession team.
The stats thus far in the season disagree with you. Whether or not they keep it up is left to speculation as of now.

But the stats are telling. We shoot a lot and don't get outshot ever. If there are so much better possession teams out there why are we 3rd in shots against?

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10-31-2011, 04:25 PM
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Detroit is a puck possession team. So is Pittsburgh.

The Canadiens are a long way away from being called a puck possession team.
You're a long way from knowing what you're talking about.


FYI, ES GF/GA ratios :
Mtl 6th with 1,24 ratio, Detroit 17th with 1,00 ratio, Pitts 19th with 0,91 ratio

SOG/SOGA ratio :
Det +8,9, Mtl +6,2, Pitts +3,7

A puck possesion team shoots more than it's opponent (check) and usually has a good ES ratio (check).

And if you simply watch the games, it is highly obvious they are a puck possesion team, and the fact you don't see it makes me question your ability at analyzing hockey.


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10-31-2011, 04:33 PM
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Voted yes but only because he did manage to win with the team we have.
I just don't personnaly like his style and the way he manages the players.

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10-31-2011, 05:00 PM
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Poll seriously needs a middle option.

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10-31-2011, 05:11 PM
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Poll seriously needs a middle option.
This. However, I have supported JM from the day we hired him and continue to do so. There is nothing he has shown me that does not deserve my support.

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10-31-2011, 05:28 PM
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i hate the fact that he keeps
changing lines.

just put patches eller ak and stick with it

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10-31-2011, 05:29 PM
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i hate the fact that he keeps
changing lines.

just put patches eller ak and stick with it
and yet, you want him to change a line that is working well (Moen, AK, Eller) ?

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10-31-2011, 05:34 PM
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Not the biggest fan of his system and the way he manages the lines and the PP. I also prefer coaches that are active behind the bench and with their players, what he is clearly not, but still, I can do with him and as long as we are not real awful for a long time, I won't put the blame on him. Therefore, no answer.

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10-31-2011, 05:48 PM
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Not a huge fan of his system or how he sometimes chooses lines, but what he's done with the team he's been given is quite good.

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10-31-2011, 06:22 PM
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Poll seriously needs a middle option.
Agreed...

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10-31-2011, 06:29 PM
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So everyone seems to have a very negative view of "changing lines". Isn't one of the coaches responsibilities to get chamestry going between lines? When we win games, are the lines changed frequently? When we lose games, is that not possibly the sign that a given line is not producing ? (reasons come to mind would be execution between players of that line and inefficiency of given line to play against given opposition) thus managing lines (putting "energy" players in a strugelling line) according to given game and given opposition. Have you guys visited any other fan board when that team is loosing? number 1 complaint is about coach juggling lines and putting 3d/4th liners in last 2 min of game (loosing),judging but what i have read so far. Having read bruins/leafs board more often the others (especially when one of them is loosing streak), that is the number 1 complaint posters have, and never seem to realize the existents and importance of the line juggling. Seems to me alot you guys are criticing something every coach does and has to do in a losing position.


And know, a motivational speech or touch of affection will not get a certain player/line going again, needs a bit more then that, thus the line juggling.

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10-31-2011, 06:40 PM
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His system works. We don't have superstars, so until we get a Crosby or Stamkos, Martin's team-based system is what will win games for our roster.

I don't buy into the idea that a bad five or six games is a reason to derail that system. It was hell around here one week ago, but players and Martin knew there was nothing fundamentally wrong with the team, that it would just take a bit of defense seasoning and adjustment time to right the ship.

I also don't buy this whole thing about needing tougher players than what we have. This had more credibility last year, but now we have Cole, Pacioretty and a surprisingly enthusiastic Nokeleinin (sp?). We're tough. We also have a defense that's improving with each week. By playoff time (cross fingers), add Diaz, Campoli and a healthy Gorges and Markov to the mix and we'll have the toughness of youthful stamina combined with veteran skill.

The only problem I have is JM's fetish for line changes. Don't get it.

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10-31-2011, 06:58 PM
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His system works. We don't have superstars, so until we get a Crosby or Stamkos, Martin's team-based system is what will win games for our roster.

I don't buy into the idea that a bad five or six games is a reason to derail that system. It was hell around here one week ago, but players and Martin knew there was nothing fundamentally wrong with the team, that it would just take a bit of defense seasoning and adjustment time to right the ship.

I also don't buy this whole thing about needing tougher players than what we have. This had more credibility last year, but now we have Cole, Pacioretty and a surprisingly enthusiastic Nokeleinin (sp?). We're tough. We also have a defense that's improving with each week. By playoff time (cross fingers), add Diaz, Campoli and a healthy Gorges and Markov to the mix and we'll have the toughness of youthful stamina combined with veteran skill.

The only problem I have is JM's fetish for line changes. Don't get it.
Diaz is tough? First time hearing

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10-31-2011, 07:10 PM
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Having watched the Leafs-Sens game yesterday, it reminded me why a defensively sound and responsible system, such as JM's, should be appreciated. If I were a Leafs or Sens fan, I would have been pulling my hair out every 5 minutes.

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10-31-2011, 09:45 PM
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Diaz is tough? First time hearing
Not tough as in 'big and likes to fight'. Tough as in 'stamina'. He's young, a good skater, with tons more energy than our older guys. Our downfall in the playoffs has been a drop-off in energy; we just looked tired by game 7 last year. Our stay-at-home older defensemen, Hamrlik, Spacek and Gill, were done. Talented new blood like Diaz can hopefully bring some staying power on the D, with a healthy Gorges and Campoli. Maybe Emelin, if he keeps improving and someone else falters.

Brad Marchand was 'tough' in the same way last year, and became more and more important to the Bruins as the playoffs went on, because of his youth and stamina.

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11-02-2011, 09:06 AM
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Obviously, no coach is either simply all good or all bad. Bill Belicheck was a disaster in Cleveland,etc. Coaches have some skills, lack others. Martin is an excellent pro coach with a comprehensive system that keeps his teams from having terrible ups and downs and that can pay off, with hot goaltending, against superior skill, as we saw two years ago. But his system is designed not to lose, rather than to win. Like all "small ball" coaches, there's not much he can do when he's faced with power -- whether long ball in baseball or heavy forechecking, high skill forwards in hockey. He shows no signs of being able to coach a team to a championship, rather than to just a steady level of competence, in part because he doesn't adjust his system to his talent. Scotty Bowman was a mean sob who ran a system, too -- but he recognized specific talents when they were presented, and used them : he didn't ask Lafleur or Larouche to back check. Martin's handling of Kostitsyn , et al has been just horrific, refusing to take one step back to take two forward. He prefers the Moens and Darches of the world because they're reliable, conscientious and do what they're told. But no one's ever won a Cup with only those kinds of payers.
I wish I'd have written this.

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11-02-2011, 04:59 PM
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You're a long way from knowing what you're talking about.


FYI, ES GF/GA ratios :
Mtl 6th with 1,24 ratio, Detroit 17th with 1,00 ratio, Pitts 19th with 0,91 ratio

SOG/SOGA ratio :
Det +8,9, Mtl +6,2, Pitts +3,7

A puck possesion team shoots more than it's opponent (check) and usually has a good ES ratio (check).

And if you simply watch the games, it is highly obvious they are a puck possesion team, and the fact you don't see it makes me question your ability at analyzing hockey.
Oh, OK. Sure. Those passes to nowhere really do not matter. We are a better passing team and puck controlling team than Detroit and Pittsburgh.

Perimeter shots are fantastic. One shot and done from the outside is a fantastic statistic which measures possession.

We have no problem keeping teams pinned down in their zone for the entire 2 minutes of a power play.

Nope, dont know anything about hockey.

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11-02-2011, 05:16 PM
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Oh, OK. Sure. Those passes to nowhere really do not matter. We are a better passing team and puck controlling team than Detroit and Pittsburgh.

Perimeter shots are fantastic. One shot and done from the outside is a fantastic statistic which measures possession.

We have no problem keeping teams pinned down in their zone for the entire 2 minutes of a power play.

Nope, dont know anything about hockey.
On most nights, 2/3 of Habs shots are inside the perimeter, they spend more time with puck possession than the other way around (go look at the game shot charts on NHL.com. You can twist reality all you like, but the reality is, it's quite evident you don't watch Pittsburgh and Detroit play, and that you are blind to anything the Habs do good.

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11-02-2011, 05:29 PM
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Oh, OK. Sure. Those passes to nowhere really do not matter. We are a better passing team and puck controlling team than Detroit and Pittsburgh.

Perimeter shots are fantastic. One shot and done from the outside is a fantastic statistic which measures possession.

We have no problem keeping teams pinned down in their zone for the entire 2 minutes of a power play.

Nope, dont know anything about hockey.
Obviously everyone is bias whether it's in favor or against our management, team, whatever. However you're clearly taking anti-team bias to an all new level disputing against facts that are so clear as day obvious.

Am I saying the habs have never once made a mistake? No of course not. We're still according to NHL one of the best thus far this year.

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11-02-2011, 05:35 PM
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Absolutely not, he is not a great coach. a great coach reads his team, assesses the players he has and goes with a system that best reflects his team, in this instance, we have a coach forcing a stupid too defensive style (alla Jersey) which I know worked very well over there, but we have a much more offensive minded team, with players full of talent. All this talent is going to waste, this is the way I see it. Hopefully he has learned over the past 3 games that he needs to impliment a more balanced system, not saying to have no D either, but just a balance, let our offensive players play... stop holding back our players...... anyways, I voted no, was hoping for a few more losses and he would have been out of there, along with his good buddy Gauthier.

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11-02-2011, 06:17 PM
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Personally i am not a fan of his. I dislike the passive, no tempo approach that he instills in the team. I do not like how he handles most younger players. Most seem to succeed in spite of Jacques, not because he properly developes them.

However he in general is good for a team needing structure but i dont think he is the coach that will get you to the next level and win you a Cup. I see him as a coach who will always have a job because he is good at taking average teams and instilling a good defensive system that will allow the team to sneak into the playoffs somehow.

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11-02-2011, 08:20 PM
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Obviously everyone is bias whether it's in favor or against our management, team, whatever. However you're clearly taking anti-team bias to an all new level disputing against facts that are so clear as day obvious.

Am I saying the habs have never once made a mistake? No of course not. We're still according to NHL one of the best thus far this year.
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I like the defensive system. Not really liking our special units, atm. Really don't like how JM manages and represents our players on and off ice.

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