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11-01-2011, 03:45 PM
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But that's the thing, it's better than it is now without having to revamp everything. All teams involved are better off as far as I can tell. Some are more better off now than others, but Vancouver going to Winnipeg is not that much different than going to Minnesota. Plus you get a division with three Canadian teams in it which I'm sure they (Canadians) would love.
I think the argument for a full-scale realignment is strong, though. The three-time-zone division just sucks. Plus, we have two divisions with three Canadian teams already, and the addition of Winnipeg to the Northwest (with Minnesota to the Central and Nashville to the Southeast), would mean that the Northwest would actually have four Canadian teams, with poor Colorado still traveling like crazy.

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11-01-2011, 04:50 PM
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EASTERN CONFERENCE

Northeast Division

Montreal
Ottawa
Toronto
Boston
Buffalo
Pittsburgh
Detroit

Atlantic Division

New York R
New York I
New Jersey
Philadephia
Washington
Tampa Bay
Florida
Carolina

WESTERN CONFERENCE

Central Division

Winnipeg
Minnesota
Chicago
St. Louis
Columbus
Nashville
Dallas

Western Division

Vancouver
San Jose
Los Angeles
Anaheim
Phoenix
Calgary
Edmonton
Colorado

Regular Season format:

4 games against each team in your conference.
1-2 games against various teams in your opposing conference.

Division winners take top 2 seeds the rest are based on final points standings:

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11-01-2011, 05:45 PM
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Its a shame expansion isn't a fiscally realistic possibility. 32 teams, 8 divisions of four. You play your 3 div. opponents 6 times for 18 games, your 12 conf. opponents 4 times for 48 games, and the other conference once each for 16. That totals 82 games. Each div. winner gets home ice with the top four left over from the conference getting road seeds.

Unfortunately expansion won't happen any time soon with the number of teams right now in financial trouble. I like something like this:

Bold= team in a new division

NE Div= Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto.
Atlantic Div= New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pitt
SE Div= Carolina, Florida, Nashville, Tampa Bay, Washington.

NW Div= Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton, Minnesota, Winnipeg
Pacific Div= Anaheim, Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver
Central Div= Chicago, Columbus, Dallas, Detroit, St. Louis.

Pros= - only four teams find themselves in a new division
- Nashville is geographically the closest team to the SE division
- Detroit remains in the west, leaving the biggest national viewership draw
from the west in place.
- Vancouver plays competition in the same time zone.
- Their move also means that Canadian teams will appear in 3 div's, increasing
chances that a Canadian team can make the playoffs.
- Dallas dramatically reduces travel schedule by move to central.

Cons= - Detroit will be upset by remaining in the west, along with Columbus.
- Nashville is not in the same timezone as other SE teams.
- Moving Vancouver ruins frequent match ups with Canadian rivals.

I'm sure there are more pros and cons to this, but I feel like it does the greatest good for the league as a whole. However it seems like a lot of the ideas being thrown around are predicated on travel schedules. I don't understand why the NHL can't take a longer look at how they can design the schedule to help reduce the impact of travel. For instance, rather than having a team go up to Montreal one night and down to Carolina the next, can't they do a better job of scheduling where maybe you swing through the SE and then the NE? I just hope they do not make any dramatic changes

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11-01-2011, 06:45 PM
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Its a shame expansion isn't a fiscally realistic possibility. 32 teams, 8 divisions of four. You play your 3 div. opponents 6 times for 18 games, your 12 conf. opponents 4 times for 48 games, and the other conference once each for 16. That totals 82 games. Each div. winner gets home ice with the top four left over from the conference getting road seeds.

Unfortunately expansion won't happen any time soon with the number of teams right now in financial trouble. I like something like this:

Bold= team in a new division

NE Div= Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto.
Atlantic Div= New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pitt
SE Div= Carolina, Florida, Nashville, Tampa Bay, Washington.

NW Div= Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton, Minnesota, Winnipeg
Pacific Div= Anaheim, Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver
Central Div= Chicago, Columbus, Dallas, Detroit, St. Louis.

Pros= - only four teams find themselves in a new division
- Nashville is geographically the closest team to the SE division
- Detroit remains in the west, leaving the biggest national viewership draw
from the west in place.
- Vancouver plays competition in the same time zone.
- Their move also means that Canadian teams will appear in 3 div's, increasing
chances that a Canadian team can make the playoffs.
- Dallas dramatically reduces travel schedule by move to central.

Cons= - Detroit will be upset by remaining in the west, along with Columbus.
- Nashville is not in the same timezone as other SE teams.
- Moving Vancouver ruins frequent match ups with Canadian rivals.

I'm sure there are more pros and cons to this, but I feel like it does the greatest good for the league as a whole. However it seems like a lot of the ideas being thrown around are predicated on travel schedules. I don't understand why the NHL can't take a longer look at how they can design the schedule to help reduce the impact of travel. For instance, rather than having a team go up to Montreal one night and down to Carolina the next, can't they do a better job of scheduling where maybe you swing through the SE and then the NE? I just hope they do not make any dramatic changes
I love this and who cares what Detroit and Columbus want. The whole league has to change over night because of two teams whining, screw that. This is a practical solution, well played sir.

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11-02-2011, 05:20 AM
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i knew posting this thread would get everyones mojo going. and really who cares what detriot want? the travel hasn't kept them from being a cup winner.

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11-02-2011, 01:01 PM
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I don't know...it's easy to say "screw Detroit/Columbus" but imagine if the Flyers, who play in the same Eastern time zone as Detroit and Columbus, were playing 16 games (40% of their road schedule) in the Mountain or Pacific time zones. Even if you disregard the travel for the players, imagine as fans having to stay up past midnight 16 times a year (not to mention playoffs) to watch Flyers games?

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11-02-2011, 02:24 PM
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Heres my attempt:
NE Div= Boston, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Detroit
Atlantic Div= New Jersey, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pitt, Buffalo
SE Div= Carolina, Florida, Tampa Bay, Washington, Columbus

NW Div= Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton, Phoenix, Winnipeg
Pacific Div= Anaheim, Los Angeles, San Jose, Vancouver, Las Vegas
Central Div= Chicago, Dallas, St. Louis, Nashville, Minnesota

It is almost perfect. Charles Wang sells to Jerry Bruckheimer and we welcome Las Vegas to the Pacific Division and say bye to the Islanders. Winnipeg moves west and Columbus and Detroit come East. Everyone is in their timezone except Winnipeg.

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11-02-2011, 02:33 PM
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I don't understand how they can determine anything without knowing where Phoenix will end up. What if they move to Quebec?

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11-02-2011, 02:44 PM
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I don't understand how they can determine anything without knowing where Phoenix will end up. What if they move to Quebec?
Then they do it all over again.

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Bold= team in a new division

NE Div= Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto.
Atlantic Div= New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pitt
SE Div= Carolina, Florida, Nashville, Tampa Bay, Washington.

NW Div= Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton, Minnesota, Winnipeg
Pacific Div= Anaheim, Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver
Central Div= Chicago, Columbus, Dallas, Detroit, St. Louis.

This is the best solution I have seen yet. Send this to Bobby Mac and he'll do the leg work from there.

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11-02-2011, 04:23 PM
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Heres my attempt:
NE Div= Buffalo, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Detroit
Atlantic Div= New Jersey, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pitt, Boston
SE Div= Carolina, Florida, Tampa Bay, Washington, Nashville

NW Div= Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton, Vancouver, Winnipeg
SW Div= Anaheim, Los Angeles, San Jose, Phoenix, Las Vegas
Central Div= Chicago, Dallas, St. Louis, Columbus, Minnesota

It is almost perfect. Charles Wang sells to Jerry Bruckheimer and we welcome Las Vegas to the Pacific Division and say bye to the Islanders. Winnipeg moves west and Columbus and Detroit come East. Everyone is in their timezone except Winnipeg.
I made a few tweaks. Phoenix is another problem child. Is Kansas City still vying for a team? Seattle? Hamilton? Quebec?

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11-02-2011, 06:21 PM
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It would all go much easier if a team from the east would relocate to the west. It's definitely a difficult situation but I dont see the need to impact 100% of the league to compensate 10%.

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