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11-02-2011, 08:48 AM
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His value was always overrated when he was with Nashville, even by our own fans. He played *very* protected minutes with the Preds, in fact, statistically someone once discovered that he was in the top five most protected in the league -- so his abilities appeared inflated. If he's not playing in a defensive system and in a position to make him succeed, he's a liability. That's really all there is to it.
Totally agree. He was protected heavily in Nashville and for good reason. He can be a useful third pairing guy at this point in his career. He'll give you points but not much else. I haven't seen enough of him to write him off but his skating looks poor and his puck moving ability is at a shortbus level. He needs to be paired with a puck mover if he'll ever be a top 4 guy. He also needs to learn how to use his big frame. There's some potential there however. If his strength and skating can improve a little bit he can crack a top 4 somewhere I'm sure. Just not in Toronto. We simply have an abundance of solid dmen.

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The scoop on Franson, and this was scoffed at by TML fans at the time, though now it seems they're starting to see it:

He's a decent bottom pairing defenseman and second unit PP specialist, but that's about all he is. He's young, but it's not like he's oozing potential to get better. The assets that he has now-- size and an incredible snapshot -- are what keeps him in the league. His weaknesses -- soft and slow -- are not things that you can really make better. He's decent enough positionally that most of the time he knows where to be to make the right play, but if he happens NOT to be in the right place, you're looking at odd-man-rush against, every time-- or guys wide open in front of the goal. If you're expecting that he could, as one Leafs fan said at the time, "be another Shea Weber, in time," you're going to be disappointed.
That's actually exactly what we want. Being on the second PP unit, it would allow us to shelter Girardi's minutes, because right now he's playing PK, PP and top pairing ES minutes, so he's getting destroyed. And Eminger, our current 3rd pairing Defenseman is only good when he gets to play 3rd pairing minutes every so often, not 15-20 on a daily basis.

Once Staal comes back, Franson would be playing with MDZ on the bottom pairing.

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Leafs fans who think you're going to get any of Rangers really good prospects for Franson(a young player who was basically given away for free) are in for a surprise.

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11-02-2011, 08:50 AM
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A decent-good prospect. Like I said before, i could see something Like Thomas for Franson.
You arent getting a potential sniper in Thomas for Franson.

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I've got to say, a lot of Leaf fans have been thrown very unreasonable offers in this thread. It will not take a top prospect to land Franson.

Right now, I think the most we can get for him is a 2nd, or a good-okay prospect. I would do it for MZA. If no one is offering that, just keep him and see what you can get at the deadline.

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The fact that stepan and kreider are being mentioned is amusing, thomas being mentioned is hilarious.

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Take your pick of prospects 11-15 on the Rangers and a 5th round pick. No more.
Then I don't think Burke would deal him. Franson's value is probably around a late second rounder, mediocre value but lets remember in a cap era a young, controllable player does hold some value. Burke would want a guy who could come in a little sooner rather then later so I don't think a fifth helps at all. A guy like Jesper Fasth or Oscar Lindberg seem interesting. One thing about Burke is he likes Swedes and Americans so I would assume he'd like Bourque as well. Problem is all these guys are pretty undersized.

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11-02-2011, 08:57 AM
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Ah, you read that wrong, they're talking about the Leafs being worried about upsetting locker room chemistry by making trades
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Think you misread the OP, and FYI, Avery is pretty well-liked in the Rangers locker room. It's a well known fact that he has a bit of a ****** personality, but he's been taking care of the young guys like any veteran is expected to do, and a bit more.

I know this comes as a shock for most people, but Avery isn't the super class A jerk that a lot of people make him out to be. He's outspoken, eccentric and brutally honest. Pair that with the fact he's not the most diplomatic person in the world, **** takes a spin real quick and media just loves to jump on that.
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Leafs fans who think you're going to get any of Rangers really good prospects for Franson(a young player who was basically given away for free) are in for a surprise.
Don't get it twisted, Franson wasn't given away for free, Nashville was desperate to get rid of Lombardi's contract so they didn't have a choice but to give up an asset in order to re-sign Weber. Their budget forced them to deal him.

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Lindberg for Franson might work. Not sure Lindberg really has a future in NY, but might be close to joining the NHL (next year)

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Franson is available but that does not necessarily mean it is him who NY is inquiring about.

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I highly doubt any top prospect wioll be given up by NYR as well. I think it depends on what Burke is looking for. If he wants picks then I'll take a 2nd and that's it. If he wants an NHL player back then Brandon Prust makes sense and is fair value for Franson.

We need more toughness on our bottom six and NY needs a D-man.

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I would think Liles would be a very attractive commodity right now, 7 points in 11 games, even plus - minus, I don't think Burke is shopping him but if a team makes him an offer he cannot refuse, he will part with him.

As mentioned in this thread Gunnarson is pretty much untouchable at the moment, only a top 6 fwd coming this way will Burke consider a deal.

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Don't get it twisted, Franson wasn't given away for free, Nashville was desperate to get rid of Lombardi's contract so they didn't have a choice but to give up an asset in order to re-sign Weber. Their budget forced them to deal him.
My point is that if they felt Franson was going to be a valuable young cheap defenseman, they wouldn't have packaged him with a salary dump for Brett Lebda. Could have just as easily traded/waived one of their overpaid vets. All this talk of Kreider and Stepan is downright laughable.

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NJ could really use Franson, i don't really see a fit in terms of value that would be good for the Leafs, maybe a pick for player type move or something bigger

probably not realistic but i.e. Komi and Franson for ATrain + pick

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And the Bruins were so happy they got him that they made every attempt to keep him in Boston?

It was an overpayment by the Bruins and a dumb one. He played no role in their success and was pretty much a non-entity in their cup run.

He wasn't worth what the Leafs got for him. Just because the Bruins were stupid enough to pony up that premium doesn't mean anyone else was.
At the time, it made sense. No one expected Kaberle to be so utterly worthless when Boston acquired him. It was frankly astonishing just how bad he was during the playoffs. I agree the return was a little steep though. Call it Chiarelli feeling he owed Toronto one after fleecing them in the Kessel deal.

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Funny how much value Franson had on these boards when he was with Nashville. I was just reading old threads and people were offering up top six forwards and saying how much potential this kid has.

Why does being traded to the Leafs instantly kill a players value?
Many people, myself included, saw he had potential to develop into more of a complete player or one similar to Ehrhoff, albeit less efficient. That was back two or three years ago and since he has done nothing to demonstrate much improvement, hence why he was expendable to begin with. His acquisition by the Leafs and subsequent inability to crack their lineup regardless of Toronto's depth, only tanked his value further.

For comparison sake, look at Yannick Weber on the Habs. Right now people have decent to high expectations of him become a top four defense. If in three years he is virtually the same he is today, his value is going to be quite low because of it. That in essence, is Cody Franson.

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Leafs fans who think you're going to get any of Rangers really good prospects for Franson(a young player who was basically given away for free) are in for a surprise.
Non leaf fans who think Burke is going to help a team out that we will be fighting for a play-off spot at years end. are in for a surprise.



That being said, i know Franson wont land us much. If someone offers us something respectable. But, we arent rock solid on D, so just throwing him away for nothing is senseless.

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I would think Liles would be a very attractive commodity right now, 7 points in 11 games, even plus - minus, I don't think Burke is shopping him but if a team makes him an offer he cannot refuse, he will part with him.

As mentioned in this thread Gunnarson is pretty much untouchable at the moment, only a top 6 fwd coming this way will Burke consider a deal.
Wouldn't see the point of picking up Liles to only deal him a dozen games into it. We need him for the PP. He's a lock for 40 points and if Phaneuf went down we'd be screwed.

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NJ could really use Franson, i don't really see a fit in terms of value that would be good for the Leafs, maybe a pick for player type move or something bigger

probably not realistic but i.e. Komi and Franson for ATrain + pick
Leafs take that deal and run. If you looked up dead weight in the dictionary Komisarek's face would be beside it.

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Franson's stats his first 2 pro seasons

2009-10 Nashville Predators NHL 61 6 15 21 +15 Playoffs 4 0 1 1
2010-11 Nashville Predators NHL 80 8 21 29 +10 Playoffs 12 1 5 6

There should be a market for this type of player at age 24.

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Funny how much value Franson had on these boards when he was with Nashville. I was just reading old threads and people were offering up top six forwards and saying how much potential this kid has.

Why does being traded to the Leafs instantly kill a players value?
Has nothing to do with him being a Leaf. More to do with the fact that he hasn't solidified himself a spot in the NHL.

Ask yourself this. What would you give up for Christensen? Same situation. High potential but has been a healthy scratch most of this season. Would you give up a lot for him? Me neither.

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i can respect the fact that the rangers arent interested in moving any of their top prospects, high picks, or promising young roster players but if that is the case there is no reason for toronto to move franson.

we can debate his value over and over again but at the end of the day both the leafs and the rangers are likely going to be battling for a play off spot. as a leaf fan i would rather keep franson for an emergency then to get rid of him just for the sake of moving him and helping the rangers.

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And the Bruins were so happy they got him that they made every attempt to keep him in Boston?

It was an overpayment by the Bruins and a dumb one. He played no role in their success and was pretty much a non-entity in their cup run.

He wasn't worth what the Leafs got for him. Just because the Bruins were stupid enough to pony up that premium doesn't mean anyone else was.
Actually, while i agree they overpaid, check the Bruin's defensive player stats for the playoffs. You might be surprised to find out he was the most solid.

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Wouldn't see the point of picking up Liles to only deal him a dozen games into it. We need him for the PP. He's a lock for 40 points and if Phaneuf went down we'd be screwed.
I agree, but he is a UFA at the end of the year, Leafs strength right now is depth on D, if teams are desperate and we get good return, you have to listen. Leafs didn't expect Gardiner to adapt to the NHL so soon, without this, trading Liles would have been a moot point, but Gardiner is going to keep getting better making it atleast palatable if someone knocks Burke's socks off.

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