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11-02-2011, 12:58 PM
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So when are we going to get some report on Marc? It has been almost a month without any news from the management. I am as a Ranger fan would like to know more. Do you?
There was talk of a report about a week ago but then Gross said that they weren't going to give one after all. I noticed that Girardi wore Staal's "A" last game - that doesn't bode well for him recovering anytime soon.

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Not sure where you are coming from with that statement. Actually, your statement actually shows how little you understand about the game... Girardi is playing great and it can be argued he is playing at a level even better than Staal was at. This is not downplaying Staal at all. This is more of a reflection how other players have stepped up (especially Girardi).

The Rangers are currently 8th in the NHL in goals against. This is a good defense even without Staal. Of course, adding Staal would only make it even better.
I don't want to belittle the way the first pair has played--they been great and as far as I'm concerned have exceeded my expectations. But, we're talking about 10 games. Marc Staal has played at a high level (and improved each season) since he entered the league at 19. There is no way the team and the defense don't miss him and they will continue to miss him as long as he's out.

Let's face it, his absence has led to a third pair of players who are the 7th and 8th defensemen in this organization playing every night--but less than 15 minutes. That puts real pressure on the top 4. And while Del Zotto has been hanging in there, it would have been much better to ease him up to 20 minutes, not fight to keep his playing time under 20 minutes a night.

Without Staal, the top 4 are playing too many minutes. Without Staal the team is playing 2 defenseman who shouldn't be in the lineup regularly. There will be consequences in the long run.

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11-02-2011, 03:12 PM
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There was talk of a report about a week ago but then Gross said that they weren't going to give one after all. I noticed that Girardi wore Staal's "A" last game - that doesn't bode well for him recovering anytime soon.
I'm sure that the uncertainty over Staal's return date had an impact, but I wouldn't read too much about Staal's condition into giving Girardi the A. He's been playing fantistically and is leading a defense where the only players with any experience in the NHL were supposed to be spare parts.

Right now Girardi is the glue and he deserves the recognition.

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11-02-2011, 05:00 PM
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I'm sure that the uncertainty over Staal's return date had an impact, but I wouldn't read too much about Staal's condition into giving Girardi the A. He's been playing fantistically and is leading a defense where the only players with any experience in the NHL were supposed to be spare parts.

Right now Girardi is the glue and he deserves the recognition.
Oh, I agree, Girardi has been fantastic. I just don't think that they would have moved the letter if Staal's return were at all imminent.

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11-03-2011, 12:55 AM
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This situation hasn't been easy on Eric Staal. He has played like garbage. 5 points in 12 games.-12. He looks like a different player.
I can only imagine how Eric Staal will be treated when Carolina plays in The Garden. It will make Pete Rose or Denis Potvin seem like hometown heroes.

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11-03-2011, 06:19 AM
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I can only imagine how Eric Staal will be treated when Carolina plays in The Garden. It will make Pete Rose or Denis Potvin seem like hometown heroes.
Carolina is playing at the Garden next Friday. The Garden crowd has changed. They are going to boo Staal when he touches the puck and cheer when a Ranger finishes a check on him. The crowd does not have the same hatred anymore for the opposition. The same crowd which chanted "Beat your wife Potvin" and then made a song "Potvin Sucks" with the lyrics" beat your wife Potvin,beat your wife" is different from the current group.

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Rangers defenseman Marc Staal continues to be out with a concussion suffered last season when his Carolina Hurricanes brother, Eric Staal, creamed him with a mammoth hit.

Eric Staal has struggled since. He's tied for a league-worst minus-9.

"It's still hard to swallow," Eric Staal said of his guilt. "If you could take the hit back, you kind of would because it's my brother and someone I've very close to. But it happened."
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/132833083.html

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Staal has seen specialists in Manhattan,Buffalo,Boston and Ontario. He visited the clinic in Buffalo which helped Patrick Kaleta and Tim Connolly. Larry Brooks reported that. Staal supposedly saw a headache specialist in Boston. Sam Rosen said that on XM. Two weeks ago. The Globe and Mail reported Staal is/was receiving treatment for headaches at a clinic in Georgetown,Ontario and was skating by himself.

Staal was in NY last week when the Rangers showed off the Garden for the first time. He received a tour last Wednesday.

Staal had a cortisone shot in his neck on September 26. MRI showed something in his neck. On September 26,Sather said Staal might have a disk issue. Staal received the cortisone shot the same day.

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11-03-2011, 06:36 AM
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I just hope that one day Staal wakes up and all of his symptoms have disappeared for good. Concussions seem so unpredictable, and we still understand so little about them, and the functioning of the human brain in general.

I experienced my first concussion (I think) in my beer league game a few weeks ago, and I can tell you that it was not fun. I think it was a very mild one too. It was insanely hard for me to focus on the drive home, I almost had to pull over more than once on a 10 minute ride. I also had headaches for the next couple days, as well as the next game. Luckily, I was fine after that, but I can't imagine having to deal with those things on a daily basis.

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11-03-2011, 06:49 AM
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From personal experience I know I have had (at least) 9 concussions. These have been diagnosed at medical facilities. Some from hockey, baseball, car accidents, general accidents or just making trouble in bars. 3 of them were pretty serious. I can attest it ainīt always easy to cope with (headaches, dizziness, fatigue), but being crazy helps. I have no lingering symptoms at the moment (been OK past 10 years) and I am 48 yo. I guess I am both unlucky & lucky at once.

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From personal experience I know I have had (at least) 9 concussions. These have been diagnosed at medical facilities. Some from hockey, baseball, car accidents, general accidents or just making trouble in bars. 3 of them were pretty serious. I can attest it ainīt always easy to cope with (headaches, dizziness, fatigue), but being crazy helps. I have no lingering symptoms at the moment (been OK past 10 years) and I am 48 yo. I guess I am both unlucky & lucky at once.
Wouldn't 9 concussions make you more vulnerable to real problems in the event you should have another?
I think that is a concern for pro athletes, multiple concussions does take its toll even tho you seem to be a medical exception.

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11-03-2011, 07:09 AM
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Wouldn't 9 concussions make you more vulnerable to real problems in the event you should have another?
I think that is a concern for pro athletes, multiple concussions does take its toll even tho you seem to be a medical exception.
You are most probably right - and I am not hoping to find out if the next concussion makes me a vegetable.
About being medical exception, my brother also has had 8 concussions - mostly hockey related - so that makes us quite vulnerable I guess. He is mostly symtome free too. Lifestyle, genes and fate combined I guess.

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Is it true that some people are genetically more prone to concussions?

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You are most probably right - and I am not hoping to find out if the next concussion makes me a vegetable.
About being medical exception, my brother also has had 8 concussions - mostly hockey related - so that makes us quite vulnerable I guess. He is mostly symtome free too. Lifestyle, genes and fate combined I guess.
That you, Eric and Brett Lindros?

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Is it true that some people are genetically more prone to concussions?
I don't think they have found any solid proof to suggest that. I know there is/was a few studies going on about it not sure what they've got out of it so far, think it's a somewhat new theory.

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i don't know that if you can be genetically prone to concussions, but once you have one or two it becomes SO much easier to have them. i played lacrosse and got 4 in high school, and each one was a little worse than the one before. only the last one my senior year was serious, but i spent a night in the hospital and a couple of years later still have symptoms. it definitely is a difficult thing to deal with.

also, the mri showing that he might have a disk issue is really important. that's basically what peyton manning has right now. my dad suffered for years with a bulging disk and it has similar symptoms to pcs. the headaches, dizziness, lack of balance, etc. are both things that could happen with either one so they need to figure out which it is. the problem is that disk surgery has a really long recovery time.

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I dunno, like I think someone mentioned, there are some findings that indicate you're not more likely to get a concussion even if you've had one before (or two, or three, whatever)

The effects might get worse with more concussions, so what was a tiny minor issue before might be a real problem after a couple, but I dunno. It's all pretty confusing at this point

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I dunno, like I think someone mentioned, there are some findings that indicate you're not more likely to get a concussion even if you've had one before (or two, or three, whatever)
That sure is hard to believe given what we witness in pro sports time and time again.

I'm having a hard time thinking of this off the top of my head but how many times have we seen a guy get a bad concussion where they end up missing an extended amount of time and then have a completely concussion free career after that? Does that happen much?

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That sure is hard to believe given what we witness in pro sports time and time again.

I'm having a hard time thinking of this off the top of my head but how many times have we seen a guy get a bad concussion where they end up missing an extended amount of time and then have a completely concussion free career after that? Does that happen much?
Sure, in ordinary life it does--but when a person plays hockey they are at increased risk because of the nature of the game. Read Mark Messier's comments in the NY Times blog--players are going 30 miles an hour, on skates, are more powerful and faster than ever before and are wearing protective shoulder and elbow pads made out of hardened plastic.

How any person can play hockey from age 7, up through a professional career and not get at least one concussion is a miracle. And then once it happens, what do they do? They go out and continue playing.

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Staal has seen specialists in Manhattan,Buffalo,Boston and Ontario. He visited the clinic in Buffalo which helped Patrick Kaleta and Tim Connolly. Larry Brooks reported that. Staal supposedly saw a headache specialist in Boston. Sam Rosen said that on XM. Two weeks ago. The Globe and Mail reported Staal is/was receiving treatment for headaches at a clinic in Georgetown,Ontario and was skating by himself.

Staal was in NY last week when the Rangers showed off the Garden for the first time. He received a tour last Wednesday.

Staal had a cortisone shot in his neck on September 26. MRI showed something in his neck. On September 26,Sather said Staal might have a disk issue. Staal received the cortisone shot the same day.
Really? Can you post your source, please?

That would be great, man! If his headaches are due to neck injury and not a concussion he can be back soon.
I guess it was a false hope, cause he would be skating with the team by now if that was being a case.

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That sure is hard to believe given what we witness in pro sports time and time again.

I'm having a hard time thinking of this off the top of my head but how many times have we seen a guy get a bad concussion where they end up missing an extended amount of time and then have a completely concussion free career after that? Does that happen much?
Yeah I don't know, I'm sure that most guys in the NHL (and in other contact sports) have suffered concussions at some point and ultimately go on to have pretty healthy careers, but it's pretty tough...I tend to think that with the major concussions, it's hard to tell when someone is completely recovered, and with normal people, it's not that big a deal because they don't go around getting hit in the head a lot. Athletes though are pushed to return to action as soon as possible and take a lot of abuse, so you could have guys that don't have symptoms but would benefit from time off.

But I'm talking out my ass about that. Like I said, it was just one report I think I've seen talked about

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Really? Can you post your source, please?

That would be great, man! If his headaches are due to neck injury and not a concussion he can be back soon.
I guess it was a false hope, cause he would be skating with the team by now if that was being a case.
That's all stuff he's pulled from various news articles about Staal over the past few months. There's nothing that says "it's his neck!" but it's at least something the Rangers have explored/are exploring. It's probably very hard to tell exactly if the symptoms are caused by a concussion for sure or if there's something else going on...could be the head, could be the neck, but you can't tell unless you just treat the neck and see if it helps.

I believe I saw in some article that Staal's neck was injured a bit on the original hit as well and that's probably why they looked at it/are still looking at it. Just trying to treat what they're actually able to treat.

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Pat Lafontaine suffered two massive TBI's before 1993 (one thanks to James Patrick) and was a Hart finalist a year later.

Staal will bounce back. It's only minor.

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Pat Lafontaine suffered two massive TBI's before 1993 (one thanks to James Patrick) and was a Hart finalist a year later.

Staal will bounce back. It's only minor.
I have no question he'll bounce back, but time is becoming more important. We can't lose this guy for the entire season.

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Pat Lafontaine suffered two massive TBI's before 1993 (one thanks to James Patrick) and was a Hart finalist a year later.

Staal will bounce back. It's only minor.
That's a terrible example given that Pat's career was cut short due to a concussion suffered while playing for the NYR.

Let's not talk about it plz!

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I dunno, like I think someone mentioned, there are some findings that indicate you're not more likely to get a concussion even if you've had one before (or two, or three, whatever)

The effects might get worse with more concussions, so what was a tiny minor issue before might be a real problem after a couple, but I dunno. It's all pretty confusing at this point
Here is the article where I saw it mentioned:

http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_18752377

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After several months when the symptoms failed to subside, Mueller was referred to Dr. Robert Cantu, a Boston University professor of neurosurgery who is a leading authority in sports-related brain injury. In a recent interview, Cantu said that once a concussion has fully healed, patients are no more susceptible to reinjury than anyone else.

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