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11-01-2011, 06:22 AM
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Sign fitzgerald to an NHL contract, i think he only has one with the dogs, and call him up. would pretty much be the same thing without giving anything up.
who;s Fitzgerald?

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11-01-2011, 06:29 AM
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who;s Fitzgerald?
Ah Google, a wonderful invention. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=62574

10 years in the AHL, he will NOT be playing any games with the Habs.

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11-01-2011, 10:51 AM
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Our biggest need is Markov and maybe a 4th line right winger. Despite his attitude I think it would have been cool to have Avery. Then we would have a very serviceable, versatile 4th line: Darche, who also plays on special teams. Nokelainen, who also takes faceoffs in key moments, and Avery, who is an agitator that knows how to play hockey. In an odd way I think Avery would help Subban a lot. Opposing teams will be too busy directing their hatred towards Avery, in turn opening up room for PK.

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11-01-2011, 11:00 AM
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Ah Google, a wonderful invention. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=62574

10 years in the AHL, he will NOT be playing any games with the Habs.
lol at 49 pim in 8 games.

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11-01-2011, 12:54 PM
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SOB D-Men.
Yes a Douglas Murray type of dman to protect Price plus 1 or 2 tough SOB's for the 3rd and/or 4th lines to match tough lines against which our player struggle like the Shawn Thornton line.

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11-01-2011, 01:58 PM
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Ah Google, a wonderful invention. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=62574

10 years in the AHL, he will NOT be playing any games with the Habs.
he's got a bit of size, but got a beating from Steve McIntyre...that's why we need John Scott. I haven't seen him lose a fight.

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11-01-2011, 02:44 PM
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he's got a bit of size, but got a beating from Steve McIntyre...that's why we need John Scott. I haven't seen him lose a fight.
Losing a fight means absolutely nothing. Above anything, we just need somebody who is there willing to step up. Personally I think Laraque's presence was more important then Laraque's fights. Thornton is a great example of what I mean. If Martin could turn Scott in a decent defensive d-man, so be it. I would much like to have a forward though that could hit hard and crash the net.

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11-01-2011, 05:11 PM
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I think we have two needs at the moment:

- A top-4 defenceman with size, toughness, and adequate defensive ability. I'm happy with Markov, Subban, and Gorges getting top 4 minutes... but I don't feel comfortable with Spacek, Gill, Diaz, Emelin, Campoli or Weber playing top 4 minutes on a consistent basis at the moment. We're just too soft on defence and we need a bigger, tougher d-man taking big minutes. Maybe Emelin is this guy but he's not ready.

- A 4th line grinder that is tough to play against... skates well, hits hard, wins battles along the boards, blocks shots, kills penalties, drives to the net hard, and who is tough enough to win a fight. In other words, we need somebody to take some pressure off of Moen. I really believe that Moen will become more effective if we get somebody to support him a bit more in his role. Do we have this in White or Blunden? I'm not sure.

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11-01-2011, 05:13 PM
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I think we have two needs at the moment:

- A top-4 defenceman with size, toughness, and adequate defensive ability. I'm happy with Markov, Subban, and Gorges getting top 4 minutes... but I don't feel comfortable with Spacek, Gill, Diaz, Emelin, Campoli or Weber playing top 4 minutes on a consistent basis at the moment. We're just too soft on defence and we need a bigger, tougher d-man taking big minutes. Maybe Emelin is this guy but he's not ready.

- A 4th line grinder that is tough to play against... skates well, hits hard, wins battles along the boards, blocks shots, kills penalties, drives to the net hard, and who is tough enough to win a fight. In other words, we need somebody to take some pressure off of Moen. I really believe that Moen will become more effective if we get somebody to support him a bit more in his role. Do we have this in White or Blunden? I'm not sure.
I agree with you, but 20 other teams in the NHL have the same needs.

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11-01-2011, 06:17 PM
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I agree with you, but 20 other teams in the NHL have the same needs.
Yeah, true.

I guess it would be ideal to have that specific type of top-4, but I think we can get by with what we have, especially when/if Markov returns in full form soon.

As for the 4th line grinder... I don't like how people say that 4th liners come for a dime a dozen. Sure, bad 4th liners do, but not good ones. We need a 4th line with size, toughness, speed and energy to make life miserable for the other team.

Right now our fourth line is Blunden-Nokelainen-Darche, which is better than Palushaj-Engqvist-Darche. But I still think this can be upgraded, especially for when we play against tougher teams.

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11-01-2011, 10:23 PM
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Losing a fight means absolutely nothing. Above anything, we just need somebody who is there willing to step up. Personally I think Laraque's presence was more important then Laraque's fights. Thornton is a great example of what I mean. If Martin could turn Scott in a decent defensive d-man, so be it. I would much like to have a forward though that could hit hard and crash the net.
I always try to go for the toughest in the league to send a clear message. When we had Laraque, NO ONE & I mean NO ONE would fight him. I've seen Matt Carkner(who we drafted), Chris Neil, Milan Lucic,...the list goes on who refused him.

His teammates feel safer at that point.

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11-02-2011, 12:06 AM
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I think we have two needs at the moment:

- A top-4 defenceman with size, toughness, and adequate defensive ability. I'm happy with Markov, Subban, and Gorges getting top 4 minutes... but I don't feel comfortable with Spacek, Gill, Diaz, Emelin, Campoli or Weber playing top 4 minutes on a consistent basis at the moment. We're just too soft on defence and we need a bigger, tougher d-man taking big minutes. Maybe Emelin is this guy but he's not ready.

- A 4th line grinder that is tough to play against... skates well, hits hard, wins battles along the boards, blocks shots, kills penalties, drives to the net hard, and who is tough enough to win a fight. In other words, we need somebody to take some pressure off of Moen. I really believe that Moen will become more effective if we get somebody to support him a bit more in his role. Do we have this in White or Blunden? I'm not sure.
White will be back, he is this guy. Remember last year and Subban being benched early in year. Elemin will be alright

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11-03-2011, 03:40 PM
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Signing Price to a long-term contract.

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11-03-2011, 04:17 PM
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Right now our fourth line is Blunden-Nokelainen-Darche, which is better than Palushaj-Engqvist-Darche. But I still think this can be upgraded, especially for when we play against tougher teams.
White and Betts?

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11-03-2011, 04:35 PM
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White and Betts?
Betts doesn't belong to the Habs.

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11-03-2011, 05:53 PM
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Jordin Tootoo/Chris Neil and Mark Stuart

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our biggest need (honestly):

health and consistency


that's it

we're a great team, just plagued by the lack of the above from time to time

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11-04-2011, 12:23 AM
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The best part about people asking for a John Scott-type of player is that the minute that player will step on the ice and they'll realize how freaking awful they are at playing actual hockey, how slow they are and just how much of a burden they are, they'll be *****ing to ship said player away and that Gauthier is an awful gm.

Then we'll go a few games without a fighter, and the same people will whine to get another enforcer, but another one that they've been wanting for a long time. Cycle starts all over again. Laraque was the guy everyone wanted. Pens fans warned us over and over again about his polite fight requests that never lead to anything. He was the best in the league at what he did and he still wasn't enough to quench the fight-lovers thirst for punches-on-ice.

I don't want a fighter on this team. We have tough guys like Moen and White who can also play hockey. We're good. It's not what's at stake here, and I don't want to start a debate, but fighting won't be part of this sport for too long. Hard surface, unfit equipment, no gloves, players having to worry about their balance, exposing them to dangerous shots... It makes no sense to keep this shenanigan going.

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It's not what's at stake here, and I don't want to start a debate, but fighting won't be part of this sport for too long.
I agree, however since it is legal, it makes sense to try to get the BEST fighter.

We tried that with Laraque ... but unfortunately mgmt didn't realize he was a joke.

But if there is an angrier version of Laraque on the market, we'd be silly not to jump on it.

As long as fighting is legal, once in a while it's important to make an statement... not every game, but often enough to make overpaying for the best fighter around worth the cap hit... 30 games for 1.5 million and him doing his job is a good deal.

A guy like this is especially important to a smaller team.

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I agree, however since it is legal, it makes sense to try to get the BEST fighter.

We tried that with Laraque ... but unfortunately mgmt didn't realize he was a joke.

But if there is an angrier version of Laraque on the market, we'd be silly not to jump on it.

As long as fighting is legal, once in a while it's important to make an statement... not every game, but often enough to make overpaying for the best fighter around worth the cap hit... 30 games for 1.5 million and him doing his job is a good deal.

A guy like this is especially important to a smaller team.
what do you mean, "we" ?

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what do you mean, "we" ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We

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I agree, however since it is legal, it makes sense to try to get the BEST fighter.

We tried that with Laraque ... but unfortunately mgmt didn't realize he was a joke.

But if there is an angrier version of Laraque on the market, we'd be silly not to jump on it.

As long as fighting is legal, once in a while it's important to make an statement... not every game, but often enough to make overpaying for the best fighter around worth the cap hit... 30 games for 1.5 million and him doing his job is a good deal.

A guy like this is especially important to a smaller team.
Why would you need the BEST fighter? You just need a couple of guys who can drop 'em when needed and won't take **** from anyone. That's it.

The Bruins that you like so much don't have the best fighters but they have good team toughness.


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Elite top 6 talent...that is a few 30 goal scores/60 pointers.

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A new version of Stephane Quintal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWji2XAjDLI

That's what we miss !

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