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11-06-2011, 06:16 PM
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Or it could be getting rid of like half of our defensively responsible forwards this off-season. That might factor into it.
Possibly, but saying that it's a systematic coaching problem sounds far more astute.


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11-06-2011, 07:02 PM
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Or it could be getting rid of like half of our defensively responsible forwards this off-season. That might factor into it.
It was overrated with them to begin with. The clubs team defense wasn't that great the last couple of years.

People act like it was a strong point to begin with. The year we went to the finals we got lucky to face the worst offensive teams in the east. During the John Stevens era our team defense sucked. Remember people complaining he didn't have a "system". PL never coached good defensive teams. Team defense has been average every since the firing of Hitchcock.


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Yep. Team defense has gotten worse.
Definitely. Growing pains for a young team. (minus some old vets)

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11-06-2011, 07:45 PM
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It was overrated with them to begin with. The clubs team defense wasn't that great the last couple of years.

People act like it was a strong point to begin with. The year we went to the finals we got lucky to face the worst offensive teams in the east. During the John Stevens era our team defense sucked. Remember people complaining he didn't have a "system". PL never coached good defensive teams. Team defense has been average every since the firing of Hitchcock.
He simply said it likely factored into it, which it clearly did.

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11-06-2011, 07:48 PM
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He simply said it likely factored into it, which it clearly did.
I think on the wings outside of Jagr we got better defensively. A huge dropoff down the middle though. Giroux isn't on the level of Carter or Richards. We all know how terrible Briere is. Still in terms of team defense we are still average.

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11-06-2011, 09:08 PM
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Our team defense was never good.

Its a systematic problem with Laviolette.
You dont get to the SCF with Michael F Leighton without putting forth some good defensive effort.

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11-06-2011, 09:50 PM
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same thing happened last year. averging 4 goals a game into early November. teams just dont average 4 goals a game anymore. We wont be anywhere near 300 goals scored this year.
Only 3 teams have allowed more goals then we have.

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11-06-2011, 11:15 PM
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You dont get to the SCF with Michael F Leighton without putting forth some good defensive effort.
We faced weak offensive teams. Micheal Leighton and Boosh were also pretty solid.

Notice how we got ripped to shreds by Chicago.

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We faced weak offensive teams. Micheal Leighton and Boosh were also pretty solid.

Notice how we got ripped to shreds by Chicago.
You're taking certain aspects of the playoffs and distorting them to try and prove your points. The whole series was not defensively sound for either teams, did you happen to catch Niemi's save % as well? It was a bit of an odd series, obviously we were outplayed.

Teams don't fluke into the finals with bad defensive play. Do you remember our forecheck against New Jersey? It pretty much was the deciding factor in the series.

Leighton played well because of how we coddled him for the most part, he's a big first save goalie, after that we were bailing him out regularly.

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You dont get to the SCF with Michael F Leighton without putting forth some good defensive effort.
Bingo!

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same thing happened last year. averging 4 goals a game into early November. teams just dont average 4 goals a game anymore. We wont be anywhere near 300 goals scored this year.
Only 3 teams have allowed more goals then we have.
There's probably a correlation between the two stats. As production tails off, and it will, I would bet that it will be due in part to more defensive minded decision making by the forwards.

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11-06-2011, 11:41 PM
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It was overrated with them to begin with. The clubs team defense wasn't that great the last couple of years.

People act like it was a strong point to begin with. The year we went to the finals we got lucky to face the worst offensive teams in the east. During the John Stevens era our team defense sucked. Remember people complaining he didn't have a "system". PL never coached good defensive teams. Team defense has been average every since the firing of Hitchcock.
Dude do yourself a favor and go watch the highlights from the finals that year. Every single goal Chicago scored was a terrible **** ass goal given up by MFL. I kid you not, I watched the highlights last year and was in disbelief, I couldn't believe I didn't remember how many horrible goals he let in. All series long!

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11-07-2011, 12:49 AM
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There's probably a correlation between the two stats. As production tails off, and it will, I would bet that it will be due in part to more defensive minded decision making by the forwards.
The Flyers have scored 56 goals in 14 games. Take out the goals scored in the Ottawa,Winnipeg and CBJ games and its 32 goals in 11 games. Or the pace we will end up at the end of the season.
I am not sold on the forwards on this team ability to play defense. Most of the forwards on this team are at the very best averge to slightly below average defensively.


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We faced weak offensive teams. Micheal Leighton and Boosh were also pretty solid.

Notice how we got ripped to shreds by Chicago.
The weak offensive teams certainly helped, but do you really think weak offensive teams won't put goals on the board against bad defensive play with Leighton behind it?

Notice how many just awful goals were given up to Chicago?

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11-07-2011, 01:00 PM
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so people bring up legit gripes and complaints about this team and coaching staff and we are haters?
id rather be a hater then be a blind homer.

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At least we have a shutout this season... LOL!

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I believe it was our first shutout in 105+ games or something like that, based on some quick mental math. Including playoffs, that is. If we go back to the regular season before the 2010 playoffs I'm sure it's a good amount more.

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11-07-2011, 04:11 PM
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The weak offensive teams certainly helped, but do you really think weak offensive teams won't put goals on the board against bad defensive play with Leighton behind it?

Notice how many just awful goals were given up to Chicago?
I agree but the team defense isn't that great. It was above average and it is average this year. We still were running around the defensive zone that series. PL is an offensive coach. His philosophy is attack at all times. Basically the best defense is offense. Which gives a little on the team structure of defense. If the forwards don't back check it exposes the defense to the core. Its just his philosophy that will keep this team from every being a great defense team but we will have some damn good offenses.

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Our team defense has not been average this year. It's been terrible.

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11-07-2011, 05:01 PM
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Its been pretty inconsistent. Some games it was decent other games it was beyond pathetic.

Its early in the season things could change as new players get more familiar with the system. I want to see how we look facing better offensive teams. We have faced some pretty weak offensive teams so far.

I still think this will be a average team in terms of team defense. No more or less.

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11-07-2011, 05:10 PM
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our team defense has been bipolar at best. it can go one of either two ways:

1) our whole team starts to gel from top to bottom and things get solidified,

or

2) our rookies hit the proverbial wall and everything goes to ****.

not helping the cause are our bipolar #'s 3-5 on defense. you can count for an off night from carle, coburn, or mez on any given night.

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11-08-2011, 12:49 PM
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Our team defense is only good when we control the play on offense. Ever since Lavy and his system came in when the other team applied the pressure we fell apart.

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