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11-06-2011, 08:11 PM
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Philadelphia and Nashville

From Philadelphia:

Brayden Schenn
Jakub Voracek
Matt Carle
2012 2nd round pick
Jody Shelley (for cap-dump purposes)

From Nashville:

Shea Weber
Rights to Alexander Radulov

Flyers acquire the young #1 defenseman they need. Together w/ Pronger, Timonen, Meszaros, Coburn, Gustafsson, they create one of the most formidable defenses 1-6 in the NHL. More importantly, they have their successor if 2012-2013 is in fact Timonen's last season.

Flyers also acquire the rights to Alexander Radulov, an extremely talented winger (possibly more talented than Voracek) who will be dirt cheap (still on ELC) if / when he returns from the KHL.

The Flyers take a hit in their forward depth for 2011-2012, but have the chance to get that back next year provided Radulov returns.

The Predators get guaranteed offense, and lots of it to help them with the playoff push this year and to help them build up their offense in the future. Brayden Schenn is a budding young #1C and Jakub Voracek is a 50 point winger w/ room for some more improvement. They also get Matt Carle to help ease the blow of losing Weber & a 2nd round pick in a deep 2012 draft.

Curious what the thoughts are from this board before I would put it out on the main board. Is the value close? Is this something you'd be interested in doing?

Flyers Projected Roster for Rest of 2011-2012 Season:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.845m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Harry Zolnierczyk ($0.900m)

DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.500m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,057,539; BONUSES: $1,300,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,242,461

Flyers Projected Roster for 2012-2013 (assuming a cap increase of $4M:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($4.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Alexander Radulov ($0.900m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)

DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.250m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.000m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,903,373; BONUSES: $1,300,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,396,627

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11-06-2011, 08:17 PM
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From Philadelphia:

Brayden Schenn
Jakub Voracek
Matt Carle
2012 2nd round pick
Jody Shelley (for cap-dump purposes)

From Nashville:

Shea Weber
Rights to Alexander Radulov

Flyers acquire the young #1 defenseman they need. Together w/ Pronger, Timonen, Meszaros, Coburn, Gustafsson, they create one of the most formidable defenses 1-6 in the NHL. More importantly, they have their successor if 2012-2013 is in fact Timonen's last season.

Flyers also acquire the rights to Alexander Radulov, an extremely talented winger (possibly more talented than Voracek) who will be dirt cheap (still on ELC) if / when he returns from the KHL.

The Flyers take a hit in their forward depth for 2011-2012, but have the chance to get that back next year provided Radulov returns.

The Predators get guaranteed offense, and lots of it to help them with the playoff push this year and to help them build up their offense in the future. Brayden Schenn is a budding young #1C and Jakub Voracek is a 50 point winger w/ room for some more improvement. They also get Matt Carle to help ease the blow of losing Weber & a 2nd round pick in a deep 2012 draft.

Curious what the thoughts are from this board before I would put it out on the main board. Is the value close? Is this something you'd be interested in doing?

Flyers Projected Roster for Rest of 2011-2012 Season:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.845m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Harry Zolnierczyk ($0.900m)

DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.500m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,057,539; BONUSES: $1,300,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,242,461

Flyers Projected Roster for 2012-2013 (assuming a cap increase of $4M:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($4.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Alexander Radulov ($0.900m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)

DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.250m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.000m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,903,373; BONUSES: $1,300,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,396,627
No, giving up voracek, schenn, and carle is way too much depth to lose especially because radulov is no sure thing. If he doesnt come back you have given up a 2nd, carle, voracek and schenn for weber, who may not re sign.

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Radulov has 0 value who knows whether he ever comes back. Voracek Schenn and Carle is way too much to give for a Defensemen albeit on RFA on an expiring contract.

To add to that NSH would not take a cap dump back either, they are a team on an internal budget, any salary they are paying is going against that internal budget its not about cap space for them its about how much they are paying and they will not pay for a useless scrub

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I'd do Carle and Schenn for Weber straight up, but that's even a stretch.

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I'd do Carle and Schenn for Weber straight up, but that's even a stretch.
If Weber was locked up you'd be nuts not to do that.

Swap Radulov for someone who can fill a 2nd/3rd line winger role, and have Weber locked up first, and I do that deal.

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If there was any hint that Radulov would come back and play for us, I'd do it...

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I'd do Carle and Schenn for Weber straight up, but that's even a stretch.
On the main board, proposals like this have been criticized by Nashville fans for not having any immediate offense coming back.

A big goal of the Nashville organization is to make the playoffs this year. Trading Weber for Carle and Schenn may make the team better in the future (provided Carle re-signs), but it doesn't make the team better in 2011-2012. And with Weber only an RFA after the season and the Preds therefore retaining his rights, if you're offer is going to make them a worse team in 2011-2012, what's the incentive for them to do it right now? They might as well wait till the offseason and trade him.

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To add to that NSH would not take a cap dump back either, they are a team on an internal budget, any salary they are paying is going against that internal budget its not about cap space for them its about how much they are paying and they will not pay for a useless scrub
They would be improving the team significantly for 2011-2012 and would be giving away $7.5M in salary and taking back only about $8.15M... they'd probably be willing to do it. If not, they'd have to add a little something and we'd bury Shelley in the minors.

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Thank you for your positive commentary.

It is much appreciated.

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Thank you for your positive commentary.

It is much appreciated.
But I didn't say anything.

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But I didn't say anything.
Sarcasm is clearly your strong suit.

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Sarcasm is clearly your strong suit.
Guess Irony is yours.

We all have something.

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They would be improving the team significantly for 2011-2012 and would be giving away $7.5M in salary and taking back only about $8.15M... they'd probably be willing to do it. If not, they'd have to add a little something and we'd bury Shelley in the minors.
500k is a big deal to a team that only spends to half the cap, its another player on an ELC, Im sure theyd be willing to do it its too much to give up for just Weber

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holy overpayment batman!

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Take out one of Schenn or Voracek and remove Radulov and add in one of 1st/Ellis and you might have a deal. I don't want Weber as a rental player unless we are getting a defenseman for the future (Ellis or use 1st to select a dman).

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Id rather do Schenn a conditional pick Carle and Hartnell for Kostition/any forward and Weber/Suter

condtional pic being if weber resigns.

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Take out one of Schenn or Voracek and remove Radulov and add in one of 1st/Ellis and you might have a deal. I don't want Weber as a rental player unless we are getting a defenseman for the future (Ellis or use 1st to select a dman).
NVM, thinking about it again Weber isn't signed. Its way too much of a risk to move that many peices and only getting Ellis and a 1/3 of a year of Weber

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Id rather do Schenn a conditional pick Carle and Hartnell for Kostition/any forward and Weber/Suter

condtional pic being if weber resigns.
I don't think you can trade Schenn in a deal where you don't know if the guy coming back resigns.

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schenn is going to be an 80 point player... lets keep this kid for awhile. One of Suter or Weber are likely going to test FA this summer, maybe land one of them that way.

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Is not worth discussing because Radulov may not come back. If Radulov was a sure thing I think it'd be close to a reasonable deal.

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I don't understand where people are getting the idea that Weber wouldn't re-sign. It's Philadelphia we're talking about here... free agents want to be here. The only reason Weber won't sign in Nashville (yet) is b/c he wants the team to prove to him they're willing to spend to produce a winning team.

What more could he want than playing in Philly next to Pronger? And obviously the deal would be contingent upon a window to negotiate w/ Weber.

Btw, Weber is a RFA @ the end of the season. Not a UFA. Meaning we keep his rights no matter what. There's literally zero risk of Weber leaving.

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schenn is going to be an 80 point player... lets keep this kid for awhile. One of Suter or Weber are likely going to test FA this summer, maybe land one of them that way.
I love Schenn. He might very well end up an 80 point player... but where is he going to play?

We have our 3 top-9 centers going forward... their names are Giroux-Couturier-Briere.

After a certain point, your offense just becomes a little excessive. And I feel like for both this year and the future, the team would be upgraded by finding a #1 defenseman to take over once Kimmo leaves.

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I don't understand where people are getting the idea that Weber wouldn't re-sign. It's Philadelphia we're talking about here... free agents want to be here. The only reason Weber won't sign in Nashville (yet) is b/c he wants the team to prove to him they're willing to spend to produce a winning team.

What more could he want than playing in Philly next to Pronger? And obviously the deal would be contingent upon a window to negotiate w/ Weber.

Btw, Weber is a RFA @ the end of the season. Not a UFA. Meaning we keep his rights no matter what. There's literally zero risk of Weber leaving.
More often then not players want to play in philly for all of the obvious reasons but doesnt mean it is a sure thing, I mean hamuis should be a prime example.

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