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11-07-2011, 01:47 AM
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11-07-2011, 02:05 AM
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To the original offer, that is WAY too much to be paying for Weber and Rad isn't coming back to NA. This would be like trading Richards AND Carter for Weber, a 1st and a 3rd line player. Sorry but not even Weber is worth that much. I could see one of Schenn or Voracek + 1st for Weber (doubt they have any interest in Carle) but that's about it.
Since Schenn was the center-piece of the Richards deal and Couturier was the star of the Carter deal, I fail to see how you can equate this to trading both of them for Weber.

It is much, much more like we're trading Richards + Carle for Weber.

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11-07-2011, 02:40 AM
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I would love Weber on this team but his next contract will harmstring any team picking him up unless the salary cap is abolished.

We would get a scary defense but would turn into a 3 line team up front at the same time. This would have been an option before we locked up Bryz though...

No thanks!

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11-07-2011, 09:29 AM
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Since Schenn was the center-piece of the Richards deal and Couturier was the star of the Carter deal, I fail to see how you can equate this to trading both of them for Weber.

It is much, much more like we're trading Richards + Carle for Weber.
Voracek was the centerpiece of Columbus deal as we were given Voracek and the 8th pick. Couturier was a nice surprise in the draft.

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11-07-2011, 10:37 AM
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Since Schenn was the center-piece of the Richards deal and Couturier was the star of the Carter deal, I fail to see how you can equate this to trading both of them for Weber.

It is much, much more like we're trading Richards + Carle for Weber.

WRONG. At the time of the trade Voracek was the center piece of the Carter trade, not the 1st rnd pick. Thus, based upon the original proposal where we are trading the center pieces of both trades PLUS Carle we are essentially trading both Carter and Richards (or nearly so) for just Weber. THAT is how you have to look at it. You don't look at how the trade panned out many months after the trade, you look at it the moment the trade happened.

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11-07-2011, 10:46 AM
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LOL, come on man.

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11-07-2011, 10:50 AM
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WRONG. At the time of the trade Voracek was the center piece of the Carter trade, not the 1st rnd pick. Thus, based upon the original proposal where we are trading the center pieces of both trades PLUS Carle we are essentially trading both Carter and Richards (or nearly so) for just Weber. THAT is how you have to look at it. You don't look at how the trade panned out many months after the trade, you look at it the moment the trade happened.
I disagree. I saw Voracek and the #8 picks as equals. Only thing Voracek had on the pick was that we knew Voracek could help this year.

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11-07-2011, 10:55 AM
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This wouldn't happen. Too many moving parts.

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11-07-2011, 03:19 PM
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I disagree. I saw Voracek and the #8 picks as equals. Only thing Voracek had on the pick was that we knew Voracek could help this year.
I didn't see them as equals at all. The 8th pick was an unknown. Traditionally the player drafted 8th isn't anything special.

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11-07-2011, 03:26 PM
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I didn't see them as equals at all. The 8th pick was an unknown. Traditionally the player drafted 8th isn't anything special.
Is the player drafted 7th traditionally special?

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Is the player drafted 7th traditionally special?
The point went completely over your head. Voracek was a known quantity when we got him. The 8th pick was unknown, no one knew when he would contribute, and the likelihood of the 8th pick turning into a star wasn't great. Voracek was easily the centerpiece of the trade.

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11-07-2011, 03:39 PM
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The point went completely over your head. Voracek was a known quantity when we got him. The 8th pick was unknown, no one knew when he would contribute, and the likelihood of the 8th pick turning into a star wasn't great. Voracek was easily the centerpiece of the trade.
Nah, I understood your point. I was simply suggesting that at the time of the trade (and now), Voracek is still mostly potential too--and that it seemed silly to dismiss a generic 8th overall pick as "nothing" special while casting great value on a mostly-unproven 7th overall a few years earlier.

We can quibble over whether Voracek or the 1st were the more important piece, but I don't think anyone would have made the deal without both.

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11-07-2011, 04:35 PM
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We get robbed on this deal.

Also why do people think Shea Weber won't be resigned by Nashville?

Radulov i don't want any parts of.

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11-07-2011, 05:51 PM
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We get robbed on this deal.

Also why do people think Shea Weber won't be resigned by Nashville?

Radulov i don't want any parts of.
Because they have to choose between Weber and Suter. One is going to leave.

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11-07-2011, 05:55 PM
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I didn't see them as equals at all. The 8th pick was an unknown. Traditionally the player drafted 8th isn't anything special.
It was an unknown but still a very valuable commodity. Voracek is/was valuable but the 8th on a team that needs to re-stock their prospect pool is pretty valuable.

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11-07-2011, 07:00 PM
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Because they have to choose between Weber and Suter. One is going to leave.
No, they don't. It's been beaten to death over and over about the fact they can keep all 3. They set a bar of 21-23 million to spend for the big three, Rinne, Suter and Weber.

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No, they don't. It's been beaten to death over and over about the fact they can keep all 3. They set a bar of 21-23 million to spend for the big three, Rinne, Suter and Weber.
There you go again with that reality talk. It doesn't fly around here.

I will say....that in the extremely unlikely event that either player makes it to UFA I'm sure we would be making phone calls.

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I disagree. I saw Voracek and the #8 picks as equals. Only thing Voracek had on the pick was that we knew Voracek could help this year.
If you look at the players projected to go in the top 7 and who was left, the 8th OA pick was much less appealing than Voracek. We were looking at a 2nd pairing dman or a 2nd/3rd line forward with "character". We were NOT supposed to be getting an impact player with the 8th OA pick in this past years draft.

Maybe YOU saw them as equals but with a little bit of reserch that's not the conclusion most would have come to and I certainly hope that Holmgren and his group didn't see the 1st rnd pick as being "equal" to Voracek.

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