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11-07-2011, 07:08 PM
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Who is Playing Above or Below Expectations?

With 12 games in the books, it's time to assess who's playing above our expectations of them, and who's been disappointing so far. Call this a preliminary report card.

Above Expectations:

- Pacioretty

- Eller

- Moen

- Diaz


Below Expectations:

- Subban

- Gill


Everyone else is either performing up to par, or hasn't been clearly better or worse than expected.

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11-07-2011, 07:12 PM
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I'd add Spacek in the above expecations, because no one really expected him to be as good as he is.

I would add Cammy and Gionta to the below expectations, but these two always have slow starts it seems.

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11-07-2011, 07:15 PM
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Everyone's playing pretty much as I expected. The only guys I'm expecting more out of is Gill, Subban and Cammalleri.

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Bellow:

Emelin.

Should I even mention Gomez ?


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Above Expectations:

- Pacioretty

- Eller

- Moen

- Diaz

- Gorges

- Kostitsyn

- Spacek

-Nokelainen (i was pleasantly surprised)


Below Expectations:

- Subban

- Gill

- Gionta

- Cammalleri

- Gomez

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11-07-2011, 07:17 PM
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Bellow:

Emelin.
Personally.. Emelin hasn't even played enough for anyone to say below or above.

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11-07-2011, 07:24 PM
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below

gionta
gill
subban
cammlleri


i would put gomez on here but well it's gomez do i have to say anything else

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11-07-2011, 07:25 PM
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Nokelainen is definitely above expectations. Forgot about him!

Probably should've put AK up there, too. He's looked like a happy camper so far.

I always liked Spacek, so his solid D is what I expected.

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11-07-2011, 07:50 PM
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Above Expectations:

- Pacioretty

- Eller

- Moen

- Diaz

- Gorges

- Kostitsyn

- Spacek

-Nokelainen (i was pleasantly surprised)


Below Expectations:

- Subban

- Gill

- Gionta

- Cammalleri

- Gomez
this but I add Weber in the above section

and Gomez didn't play enough game to be grade

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11-07-2011, 07:52 PM
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Above or below whose expectations? That seems to to vary with the poster. I didn't expect Diaz to start with the Habs, so he's the only one in my "above" catgory. He's responsible for Emelin not seeing much action (not that Emelin has been terrible). I see Moen's 4 goals as a blip on the radar screen. As expected, he's quieted down. I'm not surprised by the scoring done by Pacioretty and Kostitsyn. They've been on a similar pace before. Nor am I surprised by Gill and Gomez. Did anyone really expect a better showing by either? I'm not saying they won't have occasional good games but I scoff at the notion of a successful season. Eller is showing normal progression, not an unexpected breakthrough. Gionta and Cammalleri haven't found themselves yet but with only 15% of the season gone by it would be premature to call them underachievers. The main, and most conspicuous, underachiever this season is PK Subban. He's taking the equivalent of bathroom breaks in the middle of games. Take some Imodium, PK.


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11-07-2011, 08:36 PM
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The only guys playing above my expectations are Moen, DD and Diaz. I knew DD had potential, but I didn't expect him 17min of ice without it meaning a bad thing.
Subban, I had a feeling would see a drop, just like Myers had in Buffalo. I fully expect this to be a phase, again, like Myers.
Weber I knew could play as a regular in the NHL.
Spacek I always felt was good.
Gill can't play much, nothing surprising.

The only two playing under are Gionta and Cammy. Then again, I shouldn't really see this because they're playing like they have the previous two years. Maybe I should say disappointed more than playing under my expectations.

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11-07-2011, 08:38 PM
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Spacek is on his game so I'd say above expectations. But if he is thrown off his game then I'd say below.

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11-07-2011, 09:14 PM
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Above: Spacek, Weber, Diaz, Moen, Blunden.

Below: Gill, Cammalleri, Gionta, Gomez.

DD, I expected to score and play well while making some mistakes.

Subban had managed to be in both categories this year for me, so he slides into the middle category.

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Budaj played a good game...

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11-07-2011, 09:23 PM
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The losing streak ruined everything. I'm gonna give them till game 20 to see what's what.

I JUST HOPE WE KEEP THE GOOD FORECHECK.

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11-07-2011, 09:44 PM
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Above expectation: Pacioretty, Spacek, Moen

Below expectation: Emelin, Subban (way below).


Gill and Gomez fall in the same category: as expected. Gill will be useful in playoffs though.

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11-07-2011, 09:44 PM
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Not sure why Cammaleri isn't meeting peoples expectations, he has 7 points in essentially 9 games (don't count the game he left as a full game, he only played like 3 minutes) Which comes out to a 64 point pace and he's producing enough shot to pace for over 30 goals in a typical shooting year for him.

If you're expecting more than this from Cammalleri then I think the problem is that you have an inflated sense of his abilities.

Kostitsyn is playing some really good hockey for him. And I did not expect Eller to preform this strong in a defensive role as he has. Anyone concerned with Eller's point production should know that the ~30 points he's pacing for currently is pretty good production for a player at his level playing the role he is without any powerplay time. Few forwards can crack 40 points in 82 games without powerplay minutes.

I'd say Pacioretty and Plekanec but I was honestly expecting them to be this good.

Gionta's even strength offense has been fine but hasn't been anything on the powerplay and his defense isn't quite to his previous standard.

Gill has been disappointing, Subban hasn't gotten the bounces he deserves, I'd be happier if Diaz was Hamilton's number 1 and Price could have been much better at the start of the season.

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11-07-2011, 09:58 PM
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Not sure why Cammaleri isn't meeting peoples expectations, he has 7 points in essentially 9 games (don't count the game he left as a full game, he only played like 3 minutes) Which comes out to a 64 point pace and he's producing enough shot to pace for over 30 goals in a typical shooting year for him.

If you're expecting more than this from Cammalleri then I think the problem is that you have an inflated sense of his abilities.
64pts is not the reason why Cammy was offered 6M. Gomez was overpaid the day he signed his contract, I don't think anybody expected him to be our leading scorer when he was brought in. Cammy however, is another story. He was signed to such a deal after getting career high in both points (82) and goals (39), so people should have expected a similar type of production. I didn't expect less than 30G/70pts from Cammy. I know injuries happen

You also can't pin point stats as you are now. I can tell you his scoring pace is one under 25G. I can tell you that despite his shots total being on pace for his highest total in his career, his shooting percentage is at his lowest, which, again, projects him to put under 25 goals.

His PO production represents better what people expected from him.

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11-07-2011, 10:09 PM
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Above or below whose expectations? That seems to to vary with the poster.
That's the point. How is reality matching up to the preconceived expectations we had in September?

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That's the point. How is reality matching up to the preconceived expectations we had in September?
What is weakly but surely shaping is the presence of 3 scoring lines. We have good centers to organise them. Going a bit less well than I hoped.

Our 4th line is above expectations.

Our defense has been a bit pourous. But it will most likely pick up. Gill becomes a beast in the 2nd half of the season and the playoffs. Markov and Campoli will both be back, offering us a much, much, much more efficient depth. Diaz will be probably sent in the minors to dominate for a bit o' time. Emelin will be kept a bit longer, and then.... [????]

Markov's return will be a big moment. Either he will last, or he wont. After that, I believe our players might start quickly to play with a bit more opportunism.

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11-08-2011, 02:14 AM
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Based on my personal Pre-season expectations:


Below

Cammy (most disappointing, thought/hoped we'd finally see a 6M$ regular season player)
Gomez ( knew he could regress, thought he'd at least start well)
Subban (thought he'd b more productive, & playing close to Norris-caliber, as he did in PO's)
Price (coming on, but early season was a bit shaky, thought he'd start off on fire)


Above

Moen (showing PO like intensity, & getting great bounces as reward)
Diaz (didn't think he'd see much, if any, NHL time, let alone b effective in big minutes)


Are who I thought they were

Gill ( older, slower, needs to b in 5-6 depth role, not getting Top-3 minutes)
Spacek ( looks ok in limited minutes, too bad he's paid to do much more)
Gorges (kaptain Kelowna is back, get him extended now please!)
Gionta (always tries hard, @ 5M we should b noticing a lot more)
Cole (as of late he belongs here, but awful start strikes me as what we'll b dealing with by year 3-4 of his deal)
Eller (glad more people are seeing "it" as well now)
Kost ( just imagine if he got consistent PP time...)
DD ( lots of weaknesses, but makes line mates better and puts up points... Everything Gomez should b but isn't)
MaxPac (30 goals should b his target, on good pace)

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Above Expectations:

- Pacioretty

- Eller

- Moen

- Diaz

- Gorges

- Kostitsyn

- Spacek

-Nokelainen

-peter budah


Below Expectations:

Subban

Cammy (big time below expectation)

Gill

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11-08-2011, 07:12 AM
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You guys are f***ing pathetic. PK is our only legitamite top pairing defenseman and as Bouchers stats tell you he is, by far, our best. He made two high profile bad plays and ohhhh he is playing so bad man, he is like the worst defenseman ever!! Lets trade him and keep weber.

No wonder everyone laughs at hab fans. Pathetic.

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11-08-2011, 08:04 AM
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Above:

Spacek
Moen (Showed up ready to play a solid 3rd line role... impressed)
Diaz (I had high expectations but not NHL high)
Weber (Never expected him to play this well)
Eller (Didn't expect this kind of improvement this soon)
DD (my expectations weren't high), Emelin (when I saw him he played well, don't understand why he and Diaz aren't rotated at this point)
Gorges (Maybe it's a fluke but he's chipped in offensively here or there and played even better defensively than usual. Is it just me? Cause I rarely see him praised this year)

At:

AK (My expectations for him were pretty high already after last season, he's met them )
Subban (I expected him to be solid for us and make a few high profile mistakes. It was only a matter of time before the haters came out of the woodwork. Regardless of that he's playing big minutes without any real D to work with. Gorges is great and all but he's no Markov)
Cole (Playing really well right now but hasn't been consistent, pretty much what I expect out of a 50pt guy)
Price (Killing it as usual even after a rough start)

Below:

Cammalleri (I know he's streaky and that he'll pot goals, that isn't the problem, he looks uninspired out there at times)
Gionta (Same as Cammy, I'm sure it's just the early season jitters, for now they both land here though)
Gill (It is regular season but I expected a bit more. He isn't even Hal Gill of seasons past anymore. Hopefully he steps it up as always in the post season)
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And Patches clearly above

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