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What if Washington selected Malkin first overall, and left Ovechkin to Pittsburgh?

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11-07-2011, 10:45 PM
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I think the Penguins would be a lot easier to coach against, given that they wouldn't have two lines centered by a #1 Center.

The depth they have down the middle is very much a part of what makes them the championship-caliber team that they are when they are healthy.

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In this alternate universe message board posters would be making threads "What if Washington had taken Ovechkin with the 1st pick?".

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11-07-2011, 10:53 PM
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Hum.. Without Malkin Pittsburgh never wins the cup.
with ovechkin they win 2 cups

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Pittsburgh would have been the Cobra Kai of hockey

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Hell, the only reason they have one this decade is because of Malkin's insane play in the finals.
In a game he should have been suspended for.

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One aside though. Ovechkin really does not play the kind of game that fits what the Pens' do. You build around players like that though, but the Pens really stress defensive responsibility even among their star players and Malkin fits Pittsburgh's style better, Ovechkin Washington's. Or maybe that is part and parcel of how each plays. Like I said, you build a team around players like that, you do not make players like that fit your team.

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Pittsburgh will eventually become the greatest team in history. Also, they will have the best duo in NHL history.

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11-07-2011, 11:00 PM
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Pittsburgh will eventually become the greatest team in history. Also, they will have the best duo in NHL history.
better than Mario and Jagr?

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better than Mario and Jagr?
Possibly.

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In a game he should have been suspended for.
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The 2005-2006 would have been different, maybe the Pens make a run for the playoff with the Crosby-Ov-Palfy, etc.... punch.

Maybe Mario stay for all the season

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Pittsburgh would have been a contender from 2007-2010 until both Crosby and Ovechkin get taken out with long-term / serious injuries. That's just how it would go for Pittsburgh.

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Meh I think Malkin > Ovechkin honestly

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The gap between Malkin and Ovechkin is not big at all, if there is even a gap between them. Only difference is the Pens could play two elite players on the same line, and they would lose their elite centre depth.

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If Washington selected Malkin first, and Pittsburgh now has Crosby and Ovechkin on a line together. What would the NHL be like? Would both players point totals be boosted by each other's presence? Could they both be consistently putting up 140 points a year? And most importantly, would the penguins be tearing up teams enough to make the Habs of the fifties jealous?

Thoughts.
Lol not even close. Then there's the 70's Habs who would be even less impressed.

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Things would absolutely change. Malkin didn't hop the Ocean until 2006-2007, meaning Washington would have spent the 2005-2006 season without their elite pick while Pittsburgh would have had both Crosby and Ovie instead of just Crosby. Who knows how that impacts the standings for the 2006 draft (but it's a safe bet to say that Pittsburgh probably would have moved up a couple spots and Washington would have had a better chance at #1). Maybe Washington then ends up with Erik Johnson, Jonathan Toews, or Jordan Staal instead of Nick Backstrom. Or, even pretending the standing are the same, with Washington already holding a top notch center prospect, maybe McPhee accepts the trade with Boston and the Bruins get "the Swede" and Washington lands Kessel. Maybe then Kessel never holds out and is traded to Toronto, and Boston never gets Seguin.

In other words, everything changes.



Every thread turns into a Kessel thread

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11-08-2011, 01:21 AM
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Was Ovechkin the undisputed #1 back then, or were some scouts saying Malkin could go first?
Over the 2003-04, it went from Ovechkin being an absolute slam-dunk #1 pick to a mostly slam-dunk #1 pick.

On a 1-10 scale on draft day, Ovechkin would have been about a 9.5, Malkin a 9.25, Barker between a 7-5 and 8, and a big logjam after that. Basically, there was a gap between Ovechkin and Malkin, but it wasn't the chasm it had been previously.

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Hum.. Without Malkin Pittsburgh never wins the cup.
It isn't Pens - Malkin

It is Pens - Malkin + Ovechkin

They would probably be a better team, but not by a ridiculous amount. I think they win 2 cups instead of 1.

I'm not sure if they'd always put them on the same line, even though they play different positions.

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11-08-2011, 01:27 AM
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Interesting...Crosby and Ovechkin would be dynamite but with the way the NHL favours spread out scoring nowadays (less stacked lines) I think they'd be broken up at even strength. Then again they could have clicked so well they'd be attached at the hip.

Also have to think Crosby and Malkin down the middle may be harder work to shutdown because of the spread as opposed to Crosby-Ovech on one line. And Malkin and Backstrom down the middle would have been nice for Wash...

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11-08-2011, 01:30 AM
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Hum.. Without Malkin Pittsburgh never wins the cup.
Ovechkin has better career playoff numbers than Malkin. Ovie has scored 1.35 Pt/GP and 0.77 G/GP in the playoffs to Malkin's 1.18 pt/GP and 0.47 G/GP. Even in Malkin's monster Conn Smythe year, Ovie had an identical 1.50 Pt/GP and a better goals/game rate.

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Pittsburgh would be a worse team than they are now if they had Crosby and Ovechkin and were stupid enough to put both of them on the same line,no question about it

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No, you could not match the Habs of the 50's and 70's with current cap restraints. Just look at the team of the 76-77 season (statistically the greatest NHL team ever assembled): Lafleur would be making 7-8 million today, Shutt would be making 5 million, Robinson would be making 6 million, Lemaire would be making 5-6 million, Lapointe would be making 4-5 million, Philly would probably give Dryden 11 million, Savard would be making 5-6 million, Gainey would make 3-4 million. Just with those seven skaters alone, that's over half of the cap. You just can't put talent like that together anymore.
I'd wager that most teams - if not all - spend more than half their budget on their top-7 skaters.

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I'd wager that most teams - if not all - spend more than half their budget on their top-7 skaters.
Article from last year proved just that. Almost all, if not all, winning teams have over half their cap tied up in five or fewer players:

The common theme: the salary cap. The perception seems to be that a team can't commit such large chunks of money to so few players and still build a competitive team in the salary cap era. In reality, the opposite appears to be true. Successful teams in the NHL all have this in common: they have nearly half (or more than half) of their allotted salary cap space (this year, $56.8 million) tied up in just five players.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/05/24/wi...over-quantity/

So not only is the perception wrong, the opposite is in fact true.

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Over the 2003-04, it went from Ovechkin being an absolute slam-dunk #1 pick to a mostly slam-dunk #1 pick.

On a 1-10 scale on draft day, Ovechkin would have been about a 9.5, Malkin a 9.25, Barker between a 7-5 and 8, and a big logjam after that. Basically, there was a gap between Ovechkin and Malkin, but it wasn't the chasm it had been previously.
That sounds about right. Going into the 2003-04 season it was Ovechkin and then a bunch of nothing. By the time of the draft it was Ovechkin, Malkin, and then a bunch of nothing. Barker was the consensus 'best of the rest', but was far from a franchise prospect. Chicago fans were none-too-pleased with their consolation prize (finishing with 59 points...1 point more than Pittsburgh and tied with Washington, who'd technically be third in the standings because of having more wins...the thought of winning a mid-November game being the difference between Cam Barker and Malkin or Ovechkin wasn't too happy a tought) as Barker wasn't deemed as good enough to have gone in the top 10 of the previous draft by most around here at the time (history has not proven those people wrong by any stretch, outside of maybe Zherdev). Both Ovechkin and Malkin were considered potential franchise players when the draft happened.

Ovechkin and Malkin were separated by very little at the time of the draft...Ovechkin's stats as clear-cut #1 had a lot to do with him being the consensus #1 for so long. Conte was the only one to really vocalize that he preferred Malkin, but there were quite a few hockey people that said it was more of a case of 1a and 1b, than 1 and 2. There was a decent amount of hype behind Barker as well, he was the clear #3 prospect, but that had more to do with the logjam of prospects that failed to distinguish themselves from the pack. You have to remember here, Andrew Ladd was the top ranked North American skater and the 5th overall pick was a projected early 2nd rounder...and yet Wheeler looks quite decent in comparison to Montoya (6th), Olesz (7th), Picard (8th), Smid (9th), Valabik (10th), Tukonen (11th), Thelen (12th)...

If not for Ovechkin and Malkin that 2004 first round would be one of the worst in history. Mike Green is the only other player in that first round to be an All Star (hardly the be-all/end-all figure, but the fact that so few of those first rounders are still in theleague, and that most of them that are are as role players is a little frightening). Stafford, Zajac, and Meszaros are really the only other players in that first round that seem likely/possible to make a run for an All Star berth at this point. Radulov as well, if he ever returns.

edit: Yikes, throughout that entire draft there's only 5 All Stars so far...Ovechkin (1st), Malkin (2nd), Green (29th), Rinne (258), and Streit (262). Rinne and Streit were drafted in rounds that don't exist any more, and Streit was drafted at an age that would make him a UFA now. In comparison, the 2005 draft, which had 2 less rounds and a new age cap on draftees, already has 7 All Stars...and that freakish 2003 first draft has 7 from pick 33 on alone (and 12 from the first round, total of 19 already).

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In retrospect, it's kind of absurd how well Washington did in that draft. Landing Ovechkin, Green, Schultz, Lepisto, and Andrew Gordon is quite the haul for that draft class, even if they did have three first rounders and two second rounders. Heck, the second rounders didn't even pan out to be NHL players (though Bourque is a top-tier AHL talent and isn't horrible as an injury emergency option).

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